I guess part of my resistance to tell tales is that I had to listen to a skipper for 524 miles repeat "is the tale flowing up there?" - usually while on a monster tight reach and I'm working the sheet about every 3-5 seconds for all I'm worth to keep it on the edge (and yes, they were flowing)....I kinda built up a resistance for spinnaker tell-tales. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />