Si, I don't want appear to be on your case but I obviously have different views on sailing than you. When you mention lots of downhaul and then more. Once a sail is flat more downhaul can't make it flatter? And this thing about having to be on the wire to sail low with the kite up. I don't get that either. T's & F18's only single wire downwind and A's can't be fussed at all. But don't let me stop you because one day F16's will be the fastest single handed small boats on the planet. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Damn!! I forgot you can sail them two up as well.