Ian is very fast with this new design in big chop too. I didn't see it pitching or throwing waves. Remember- I have actually seen this boat sailing in pretty much all conditions including 22+. Some say ugly? Whaaa? You guys have got to be kidding. "Form follows Function" I first heard in art class some years ago: What we have here is its Epidome. By golly, that would be a good name too.... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />