Bern - I'm right with you. Not sure how I came up "old fashioned," but it is currently being explained to me that I live in California now, and it is about getting boats on the line, not about silly rules like corrector weight for light crews... or using the correct-size sails. Guess I'm a fish out of water. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />