Hope these pics helped. I'm going out again tomorrow so if I can help you with some other pics, give me a shout, I'll check this thread tomorrow before I leave. Had a glorious day my friend had his first day at the helm in 20 knot + gusts, not his first time at the helm but first time in these conditions. Grilled him steaks to celebrate when we came back home, had some beers, I've had worse days <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />