rehmbo, Thanks for the reply, helps out tremendously! I'll have to keep my eye open for some TheMightyHobie18's. What are some things to look for in purchasing a used boat? I'm mostly seeing pre '85's for sale. anything in particular these boats are notorious for such as soft spots or cracks in the hull where it wouldn't be obvious? also, how will I know when it's time to purchase a new sail? Things to know of that nature would be a true help. thanks in advance!