i'd like to learn about sailing upwind with the windward rudder up, does anybody have success doing this? in what conditions? the current pics from the h16 worlds show no rudders in the up position. there is a shot in the h16 worlds thread in the open forum that shows a 16 going to weather with a rudder up, very beautiful. i occasionally stall my rudders upwind even with both rudders down, usually a result of weight forward and pointing high.