yeah sorry I did find the center of balance what Im trying to figure out is why it is so far back. No hull leakage as I mentioned earlier, and even if there was the water would be able to slosh to the front. I used to have leaky hulls but that didn't really pose a problem because of that fact that you can just tilt the boat forward and let it move. Also it doen'st freeze here in the winter. thanks for the idea though. My concern was not with finding hte center of balanece but with keeping the wheels there, I also wanted to know if anyone else has had an odd center of balance. I've never run into a hobie that the center wasn't near the stays. since the new center is not as close to the stays, every time you stop for a second and set the boat down or anything the wheels roll around on the slack in the rope. I talked to a local friend who had this happen and he said it turned out someone had put sand in his hulls I'm checking mine as soon as i get off work.