>> I will measure up the luff this week to see what its like.. But the prod sticks out 1.8 meters from the stem.. The stick is shorter tho..
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<br>If you could that ! Thanks
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<br>>>17 sq meters is what the 29er and cherubs use.. Both are kids classes..
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<br>Huh, Taken from Bethwaite.com (The designer !) and ovingtonboats.co.uk (licenced builder and dealor)
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<br>(Source data at end of post)
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<br>Bethwait 29-er (designer) 9 sq.mtr. at 85 kgs
<br>Ovington 29-er(builder/dealor) 15 sq.mtr at 70 kgs
<br>Ideal weight 110kg to 145 kg
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<br>Bethwait 49-er (designer) 15,3 sq.mtr. at 94 kgs
<br>Ovington 49-er(builder/dealor) 38 sq.mtr at 70 kgs
<br>Ideal weight 145 kg to 175 kg
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<br>First I see a bad case of inconsistancy, almost like nacra. And they call this one design. You probably can explain the weight difference but how do you go from 15 to 38 sq. mtr. The keyboards keys are not even near.
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<br>And than, Sorry Steward but your asking for it, and than these are the heaviest kiddies I ever saw. You must grow them usage in Aussie land. And as far as I known the Javelin is rated slower under Victoria than the 49-er and about the same as 29-er.
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<br>Now I also looked up some other skiff and Musto goes 15 sq.mtr. and is almost a perfect square. The lasers don't go beyond 15 sq.mtr. 2-up.
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<br>>>The International 14s have 33 m2 kites dont even ask about 12s and 18teens.. Prods on a 14 are 2.7 meters long.. 12s have 3.3 plus meter poles..
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<br>And the designer himself of some of the most succesful 18 ft skiffs has said that he found that area is rather unimportant with respect to luff length. He found hardly any speed difference in flying a small area kite or a big one as long as the luff lengths were the same. And thus far the Victoria rating doesn't show skiff to be faster than cats (exception 18 ft skiff, but these are about 6 mtr. wide ?)
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<br>In greece all skiff were doing great in no air to light medium air. after aal skiffs including the kiddy size genny skiffs went swimming.
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<br>And on top of that 49-er is 94 kg's ! not far from 100kg F16 HP. Seems to me that those 12' , 14's and 16' are light weather boats or that sailing them is more about keeping it up than sailing fast. Sorry again. But that is what the figures tell me and past experiences have shown to be true.
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<br>>>yes I understand the differences in a skiff kite vs a cat kite.. Really wild are the new I14s on foils..
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<br>I bet they are !
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<br>Source data :
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<br> Designer: Julian Bethwaite
<br>29-er
<br> Length: 4.45m
<br> Beam: 1.77m
<br> Weight rigged: 85kg
<br>Sail Area Mainsail 7.5sq m
<br> Jib 5sq m
<br> Spinnaker 9sq m
<br> Approximate time to rig: 15mins
<br>Recommended combined crew weight is 110kg to 145kg and suitable for both male and female sailors.
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<br>Ovington builder/dealor
<br>Overall Length 4.45 m
<br>Waterline Length 4.24 m
<br>Beam 1.77 m
<br>Fitted Hull Weight 70 kg
<br>Mast Height above sheerline 6.25 m
<br>Main & Foresail 12.5 sq.m
<br>Asymmetric Spinnaker 15 sq.m
<br>Designer Julian Bethwaite
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<br>49-er
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<br> Length: 4.99m
<br> Beam, hull: 1.69m
<br> Beam, wings: 2.9m
<br> Hull weight bare: 61kg
<br> Hull weight with wings and fittings: 94kg
<br> Draft, max: 1.5m
<br> Mast, above sheer: 8.5m
<br> Spin. Pole extended: 1.7m
<br>Sail Area Olympic Rig Mainsail: 15sq m
<br> Jib: 6.2sq m
<br> Spinnaker: 15.3sq m
<br>Sail Area Sport Rig Mainsail: 12.75sq m
<br> Jib: 5.3sq m
<br> Spinnaker: 13sq m
<br> Approximate time to rig: 20mins
<br>Suitable for both men and women, the 49er offers fast, exciting sailing in a weight range extending from 145kg to 175kg (combined crew weight).
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<br>Ovington boats builder/dealor
<br>Overall Length 4.99 m
<br>Beam 2.9 m
<br>Hull Weight 70 kg
<br>Main & Foresail 21.2 sq.m
<br>Asymmetric Spinnaker 38 sq.m
<br>Designer Julian Bethwaite
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