So we have two themes here... winning and growing the sport. Why do sooo many kids make boy racer cars and they can't really even compete.. because they are perceved to be cool. If this thread has been usurped from the AC sail comparrison let's agree to formerly start a thread on style, winning psychology of livery and graphics in sport and war and growing the sport through attrtaction. For what is is worth, here is my old Attunga. It was loved on any beach I arrived at. motifs on prt side of hulls hwere different again Motifs on boards were flying fish.