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Sebring, Florida. | When we left the beach on Friday night, it was blowing maybe 15 out of the east. The storm was forcast to go up the gulf, (the opposite side of the state) and the wind was forcast to swap around to the south, then west, 20 knots. There was some talk that maybe only 15 knots and rain. Obviously wrong. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Chattanooga, TN | Not a good thing to wake up too. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> How many boats were damaged? It would make me sick to see our Blade like that. Hope the insurance companies get the guys back sailing soon.
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South Carolina | Fortunately, the race management had required proof of insurance for the event...at least one of those boat owners who's boat is shown maimed in that picture had gotten insurance within days of the event for that purpose.
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Looking for a Job, I got credi... | For all you regatta organizers out there, this was the first year in a long time we insisted that you at least have personnal liability insurance and present proof of such.
As Jake mentioned, one skipper got his boat insured the day before the regatta, which saved him the cost of a new starboard hull.
Although it may seem like it might have a negative effect on the regatta, the vast majority of skippers were happy that insurance was required and being checked. A number of people had let their policy lapse and took care of it before the event. All (and this is not having a go at you) but I find it very surprising that in the land of the law-suit that you do not have to have 3rd party cover. To take part in any event in the UK (and I assume the rest of the EU) you must have 3rd party cover (most insist on 2million GBP).
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Naples, FL | That is some nasty stuff you posted. Sad to see the carnage. Glad that competitors had insurance (first party - for boat damage).
I guess sand anchors were either not applied or not effective? Those wing masts can generate quite a bit of force even by themselves....
I've been to at least two regattas where the weather turned foul and damaged a few boats. I always kept two "redneck insurance policies" (screw-type sand anchors) and tied the boat down just in case.
Of course, it still doesn't prevent boats hitting the anchored boat....
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| . . .multiple anchors, of the longer type, are needed with two in front and two aft, with lines over the hulls between each set.
Keeping the boat secured to the trailer may not be enough, as one boat flipped with trailer attached. I think that is an extreme measure. Remember that the boats with masts down, and secured to their trailers, didn't move at all. Those included a Taipan, H-16, and A cat. My boat flipped while attached to the trailer, but the mast was up. | | | Re: Morning of JPOR
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Annapolis, MD | I would suggest a sand anchor for a trap line on each side.
If the mast starts to go... you are doomed.
Standard A cat stakes, per the Bristol guys, are on on each side of the boat at the front beam with a tie down over the obat. Plus a stake forward and out for your trap lines.
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Tried to call you a few times. How bad was boat hurt? I got to see a Blade up close and on the race course this weekend at our Wayward Winds Regatta. He got third out of 13 on open class with a 8 year old crew. I got 9th on 4.3. Had equipment problems on Sat.
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Gainesville, FL 32607 USA | Its so easy to take masts down these days...why not do it?
After tying down, turn the mast 90 degrees and secure it that way: CHances of capsize sideways are less if the skinny cross-section is presented to the wind than the broad side of a wingmast.
This way the boat might get lifted on its long axis but much less likely.
Other sand-dwellers bury two 4 foot 2x4s instead of cheap Chinese dog anchors meant for nothing more than a somewhat active Chihuahua.
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Gainesville, FL 32607 USA | Its so easy to take masts down these days...why not do it?
Or if you are stubborn, after tying down, turn the mast 90 degrees and secure it that way: Chances of capsize sideways are much less if the skinny cross-section is presented to the wind than the broad side of a wingmast.
This way the boat might get lifted on its long axis but much less likely.
Other sand-dwellers bury two 4 foot 2x4s instead of cheap Chinese dog anchors meant for nothing more than a somewhat active Chihuahua.
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| Its so easy to take masts down these days...why not do it? I agree. Especially since putting down 4 proper anchors is more work than you might think and getting them back out is just as bad. I know I'm paranoid about beach access. The thought of abandoned anchors causing complaints after the event is not very comforting. Dropping the mast and securing to a "ballasted" trailer is the best option, IMO.
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