I don't want to nit-pick, but the x-country trailer had many more hands involved than just the 16 class. There were several Hobie dealers, Hobie execs, Tiger sailors, H 20 sailors, FX-1 sailors (others), many general members of Div 3 (and other divs), etc, etc. It was a true collaborative event to get that sucker built, and there are plans drawn up for another.

The trailer is capable of hauling many different sizes of boats, not just 16's.

The idea for the trailer is that it will be used as a long term intracontinental transport for many different types of Hobie events, wherever they spring up.

But the context of what you said was spot on, it is a successful example of strengthening a class/ classes.

Is that the trailer that fell victim to the wildfires?

Logistically the trailer has its drawbacks. For a large established fleet it works fine. Say four or five sailors, from a central division, want to use it to participate in a NAC coastal event. Drive to CA or NY and pick it up (who pays the fuel cost)? Bring it back then all drive from maybe four or five different cities to a "central" location? Compensate the person with the vehicle capable of towing that much weight for the fuel? And, unless it's a 12 passenger van, find your own way to the event (fly/drive)? For the biggest fleets (i.e. 204) I'm sure it's nice.

If there's that much money floating around, how about three or four used Waves and a trailer so it may travel around and be used for Hobie 101 days and the like?

Congradulations Mr Zealot, you have past the Bar , the Sea Lawyer Bar that is !!!

The reasons I have trap system are as follows: 1) it prevents the wing covers from being cut ($$$$$) by the bungie cord. 2) the bungie laa……asts a long time ($$) , sometimes two or three seasons by eliminating the major chaff point. 3) I can put my magnum wings on and off without having to redo the traps. I’ve even been known to throw my wings on and go for a “Sunset Sail” or even “Moonlight Sail” after the races on Saturday.

Now, do I gain an unfair advantage with that system? Gail only protested those that finished ahead of her!!! And didn’t bother with those that finished behind her. We were middle of the fleet finishers, she just happened to be alittle slower most of the time. And remember, she had her opportunity to speak up at the “Skippers Meeting” So what does that tell you??? And the competitor at the H-18NAs ????

That is exactly one of the major reasons I took my boat apart and put it behind the shed!!!
“SEA LAWYERS” I was doing 12-15 “Points Regettas /yr at the time!!!! And when it stops being “friendly” competition, people go away!!!

Now I have many more horror stories after doing this for so long, but I just do not want to get into them. I’m trying to explain to you what NOT to do …..But do the opposite!!!

Bob Merrick: I WILL re-up my HCA-NA membership this year, is Tara still handling it? I liked her. Thank You Sir

I am out of this thread , the points that needed to be made have been. And I have more pressing work …. like organizing a “Hobie Points Regetta” at my yacht club that has .... Sunfishes… Lasers … Windmills …. 420s …. Lightnings ….etc

Think about it gentlemen, please , think about it.

Oh, one last thing,
Mr Zealot you sir are a WEANIE … fill out your profile, sir. It is exactly that kind of behavior that gives us Hobie Catters a bad name and causes our fellow multihullers not to respect us!!! I PROTEST YOU!!!

Gentlemen,Til the Next Thread
Harry Murphey
Div 11, Fleet # 54 since 86’
CRAC member since 89’
Rock Hall YC member
HCA-NA member

Yah, I know I'm one opinionated hardheaded Scotch/Irish/German a--hole. I am what I am ... now where is that "blue "paint ....

Remember Fast and Fun? http://www.ussailing.org/multihull/fast&fun.htm

Great idea, but it is no longer around.

So, at Sail Sand Point in Seattle, www.sailsandpoint.org we have our own.
We now have six Waves and six Hobie 16's all donated. The boats are used in classes, as shown on the schedule, Hobie 101, and our local Fast and Fun events. They are also used in the Monday Night racing series, where new sailors are introduced to racing.

Back to building the classes, we start with getting the people of all ages and levels out on the water, then help them select the boat to sail. Waves are good to start on, then the Hobie 16 usually is the next step. The used H-16's are available at very low costs. Locally we have a strong H-16 and H-17 fleets. The H-18 fleet is still around, and the Tiger fleet is growing. We pair up the new sailors with experience sailors in each fleet. They help them set up the boats for racing, and give them tips on how to race, and go fast. There is also an active and growing A Cat fleet in the Northwest. The FX-1 fleet is still small, but growing also. We include Wave starts in our Hobie regatta's, it helps build our youth multihull program, and has provided new sailors to the other fleets.

To see how many sailors are active in the Hobie Cat racing, go to the 2007 standings on the Hobie site, and you will see them by name, and where they are racing.

You will also see the growth in Catamaran racing in our Div. 4, which has resulted in our hosting the 2008 Hobie North Americans Tiger, H-17 and H-18 in Harrison, BC, Canada. see http://www.div4.hobieclass.com

This all comes with a lot of dedicated sailors giving freely of their time and talent.

Caleb Tarleton

I don't know you Harry, but you sound like a hoot. Not sure how I missed you - I used to sail up your way on a 16 once upon a time. Still laughing tho, at that last post... I need a shirt made up or something...

"I PROTEST YOU!!!"
- H. Murphey, circa 2008


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Harry,

There isn't anything in either of your last few posts that makes anything in my last post any less true or valid. You're (admittedly) throwing emotional garbage into this discussion, which doesn't help your case. I can say that because I have to work hard NOT to do that sometimes.

I can't imagine a reason in the world any 18 sailors would want to race against someone with wings boat-for-boat. Asking at a skippers meeting does not equate to properly changing the class rules. I'd be willing to bet that the class rules can't be changed at a points regatta. It would have taken you just a few minutes to remove those wings, right? Sometimes, you have to take responsibility for your actions.

I'm not a lawyer either, but the class rules are there to help us. There are proper avenues to have them changed. Even the H16 class has had recent changes, and most people would think that would never happen.

Membership info is on the website. I'll be looking for your application.

Mike

Can't believe no one jumped in here to clarify, but here's the rub.

Class rule changes are allowed per the RRS, J1.2(9) and J2.2(7). They have to be stated in the NOR and SIs. So, for ANY class, class rules can't be changed at the regatta, skipper's meeting, etc.

Moreover, per the ISAF Regulations, 26.5(f):

"To maintain its ISAF designation an International or Recognized Class shall... Not permit the organizers to amend, suspend or override the Class Rules in the Notice of Race or Sailing Instructions for Class events without the prior approval of the ISAF, a Class event being an event initiated and controlled by the Class/Owners Association without any alteration to the Class rules."

Again, not a lawyer, but that seems to indicate the Hobie class rules can't be changed for individual Class events (points regattas, championships) without a LOT of hoop-jumping. Obviously, this is only for the ISAF-recognized Hobie classes (Hobie Dragoon, 14, 16, 17, 18, Tiger).

To me, this is actually a good thing, imagine the mayhem if the rules changed every weekend. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Mike