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Re: diamond tension & spreader rake [Re: Gilo] #141086
06/24/08 03:32 PM
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Cheshirecatman,

I don't really understand how to measure rake as you explain ... Could you explain differently?

Gill


Tony_F18s diagram correctly shows the rake measurement/setting, but issues can occur when trying to make sure each side is the same. You can get the spreader tube lengths equal but unless the fitting to the mast was spot on it can leave the set-up unbalanced. I have seen them as much as 8mm out on the mast which can make a big difference at the wire end. Set your spreaders as if each side was identical, then do a check measurement from the wire to the luff groove on each side. Compensate as necessary.
I wonder how many people have diligently checked their tube lengths without checking/noticing the mounts were not quite the same?

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Re: diamond tension & spreader rake [Re: Cheshirecatman] #141087
06/27/08 11:37 AM
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If you measure the way Tony says you are missing something in my opinion.
Different combinations of spreader arm length and angle can result in a same distance from chord to mast.

Therefor I would suggest to measure:
- Spreader arm length (from mast to wire)
- Distance from chord to mast
- tension on diamond wires
- prebend in the mast (result of the above)
(and ofcourse windspeed and crewweight).
For easy comparison Spreader arm width is also handy.

Any one interested in a comparison?
Send it to me and I'll gather the info in an excell file.

(The Capricorn has only a couple of lines on diamond settings but very understandable and interesting ones).

Gill


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Re: diamond tension & spreader rake [Re: Gilo] #141088
06/27/08 02:39 PM
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If you measure the way Tony says you are missing something in my opinion.
Different combinations of spreader arm length and angle can result in a same distance from chord to mast.

Therefor I would suggest to measure:

- Spreader arm length (from mast to wire)
- Distance from chord to mast
- tension on diamond wires
- prebend in the mast (result of the above)
(and ofcourse windspeed and crewweight).
For easy comparison Spreader arm width is also handy.

Any one interested in a comparison?
Send it to me and I'll gather the info in an excell file.

(The Capricorn has only a couple of lines on diamond settings but very understandable and interesting ones).

Gill


It's true you could have the same rake measurement for different length spreaders at different angles but I have never seen this setup on a cat, only on dinghy shrouds. Most cats have either one fixed and one adjustable spreader tube per side, or a rigid blade type (fixed or angle adjustable - not length). Do any cats 'tune' with different length spreaders?

The principles of setting up a prebend rig are explained here http://www.hurricane59.com/rigging_sailing.html (sec 1-4) and can be applied to other cats. Obviously the settings will be different from class to class, but also within a class/formula if different sections are used or if there is a distinct variance in mast stiffness. However the tuning principles should be the same.

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Re: diamond tension & spreader rake [Re: LuckyDuck] #189715
08/31/09 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckyDuck
Crew Weight

I am 180 and John is 200lbs ?. We have three AC Blades racing uni here weekly, and one T 4.9 but he doesn't count in this comparison. So far I'm very happy with my rig. I have yet to get out in breeze above 16 with it and if I'm unable to settle the boat down at that point I'll dial in a little more.

We just wrapped up a regatta this weekend where we had John's and my boat on the same course. I was uni and John had Noah the supercrew weighing in at 100lbs. Conditions consisted of some lighter 6 kt stuff with the majority being 8 to 12 with puffs into maybe the 16 kt range. I was able to de-power in all conditions and the boat ran real good. I was also able to power up when it came time to shift gears. John may have been lacking some power in the lighter breeze. Hopefully he'll chime in with his thoughts.


Ed,

Any updates on where you guys have dialed in your settings?



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