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#160357 11/13/08 03:30 PM 11/13/08 03:30 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Call Forte composites in Bristol Rhode Island.
They have a mandrel from a Tornado Teardrop mast and they have built carbon sticks of various size for one off projects like yours.
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[Re: barnone]
#160369 11/13/08 08:42 PM 11/13/08 08:42 PM |
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | Do you think the move from aluminum to carbon is a big deal on boats this size. Are you talking about our boats or your boats? On our boats its absolutely a big deal. Mast bend, and righting moment gained due to the carbon stick are great! | | | Re: Carbon Mast
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#160370 11/13/08 10:21 PM 11/13/08 10:21 PM |
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Posts: 3 | Do you think the move from aluminum to carbon is a big deal on boats this size. Are you talking about our boats or your boats? On our boats its absolutely a big deal. Mast bend, and righting moment gained due to the carbon stick are great! Any boat. I went through the conversion from alum to carbon (Marstrom custom rig) on a 41' custom morelli cat and the gains were amazing. I haven't been tracking the smaller cats lately so not too sure of the trends there. I was surprised that some of the newer cats are back to alum like the Infusion and Tiger. I was wondering if the alum rigs have somehow gotten better to the point where carbon (cost) is not making sense in the smaller rigs. Someone tried to make the case to me that you can't translate gains in larger rigs to smaller boats and I can't buy that, so just wanted some validation from someone who has felt the difference on this sized rig. | | | Re: Carbon Mast
[Re: ThunderMuffin]
#160893 11/19/08 03:25 PM 11/19/08 03:25 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Your "replacement cost" for a new N20 mast should only be $500 if you choose to purchase insurance....
If indeed the masts cost $11k, I think the insurance is a "no-brainer". What's the annual premium? $220 USD? And it covers liability to boot....
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#162017 12/05/08 09:50 AM 12/05/08 09:50 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Wasn't aware that some carriers exclude the mast... The policies I've read are silent (which means they'd ordinarily cover stuff like that), although I have seen some policies exclude racing activities...
So, if the mast is excluded on your policy, it wouldn't be covered even if it were broken by some peril other than sailing? Like lightning or windstorm?
Jay
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[Re: Keith]
#163320 12/22/08 11:58 AM 12/22/08 11:58 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Didn't think of that. If the mast is $11k and the whole boat is only $22k, then if the mast breaks the adjuster could write it off as a total loss.... Depending on the adjuster, I guess...
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#163580 12/27/08 02:55 PM 12/27/08 02:55 PM |
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Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD | Didn't think of that. If the mast is $11k and the whole boat is only $22k, then if the mast breaks the adjuster could write it off as a total loss.... Depending on the adjuster, I guess... The mast repair cost will be compared against your boat's current worth, not the new price. If comparable boats of the same age are selling for, say, 10-15k, you may need to take the money and buy the boat back as salvage, then try to get a used stick or repair the broken one. Older boats will be even more on the bubble. | | | Re: Carbon Mast
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#166699 01/30/09 06:25 AM 01/30/09 06:25 AM |
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 586 Hobart, Tasmania, Oz. Dazz
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Posts: 586 Hobart, Tasmania, Oz. | out of curiosity has the price dropped in line with the cost of the raw materials?
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#166736 01/30/09 08:28 AM 01/30/09 08:28 AM |
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Posts: 190 | I was quoted 4,000.00 USD for a 32' A-Cat tube from Hall last September.
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#166798 01/30/09 03:26 PM 01/30/09 03:26 PM | Scarecrow
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Unregistered | NACRA must really have a good reason for making the carbon masts obsolete. When Hall or even Marstrom can build them cheaper than NACRA, something really strange must go on. A custom aluminium extrusion costs approx US $3 per pound. What does a bare nacra mast weight? | | |
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