Or SCHRS

TEXEL is better for singlehanded F16's and A Class as we're off exactly the same rating as a F18. SCHRS puts us quicker which means I would end up doing all my racing against the watch not the competition. We used to use SCHRS before I was Sailing Captain but I think most of the local Cat sailors prefer TEXEL for the above reason, (boat on boat racing).

Oh for F!@K sake Rolf the punk thing is between Tback and me.

Hey, for the record, it's HTFU! I'm all about the feedback as long as it's accurate... OMG, I'm becoming Wouter! I've got to get out of here.

A N20 brought it up on the general forum before anyone else... therefore free game.
Would be nice to hear Fad's take on the N17 rating though, but as he is a member of the committee, it won't ever change.

guess there is something like what... 2 seconds to edit a post before it is locked? My typing sucks and I always seem to hit submit before I proofread....

same set up between uni and sloop, in terms of mast rake in that pic although in retrospect I should have maybe raked it a little more in that situation because it may have (don't have the slightest clue) prevented the bows from digging in as much.
As far as boards, they were the low aspect boards which I think should stay down through even higher wind ranges and we were relatively heavy anyway- if we were going to heal more we would have been leaning back instead of forward.

By fad, I assume you mean Bob Curry. Forget about him, everyone thinks he's an butt anyway.
interesting thought though. Maybe that was the impetus to have the F16 rating change. The F16s were becoming a threat to him.

HA!

WOW totaly disagree. The two ups you sail against must have crap crew work. The best time I have found the one up competitive against two up is when the legs of the course are longer. The more tacks and gybes, sets and drops, the further I get behind two ups both F16 and F18. just not enough hands and takes to long gybing of the wire with spinnaker.

Alot of this disagreement is very weather dependant. But to clarify a two up boat will mainly be heavier than the single hander, so when I say they tack, gybe slower I'm not talking about crew work but the fact the Cat will slow down and then have to speed up again. I believe due to less weight single handers carry of these manoeuvres quicker. I would agree that a good Gybe from the wire is slower but that also goes for the two up teams as well.

Hell ! It took me only 1 second to b!itch about our own peachy US F16 rating when it first came out !. Was 66.9 at the time I believe and totally rediculous.

After years of campaigning and help from the boys at the Cheasepeake we finally got a more realistic rating. The F17 boys should do the same ! That is the only thing that is fair to the other sailors out there.

Wouter

Or just dump the current report based system. Can any system be more accurate than the data fed into it?

Supporting Portsmouth is lot of work. The very nice lady who does that at USS quit a couple of years ago, but no one could be found to continue the process, so she has graciously agreed to pick it up again.

A measurement system requires less maintenance. Since no one is really happy with any of the handicap systems, why go to so much trouble? Let's take the path of least resistance.

Gary and Mark P. I agree with both of you re. sailing solo vs. two up, but the one single place I find I lose the most distance/time to a two up team is at C mark during a take down in a good breeze.

Many times I have come into C mark beside the two ups (F16's and F18's, I-20's, etc) only to take a longer time in the transition to upwind sailing than they, and all the while, nobody is steering my boat, as my hands are busy with the snuff, putting the boards down, pulling the rotator back in, setting the downhaul again, getting back out on the wire, etc.

I can go in equal with them but usually come out behind them, then have to tack away to get clear air, then tack back. So at a minimum it costs me two tacks more than they, unless they muff the snuff too. I usually opt to slow down and go outside of them, in case I have problems so I don't hit them, or get hit, that costs more distance too.

This is the thing that the math only type ratings don't take into account.

SCHRS does (to an extent) as we factor in the righting moment(RM) of the boat with the crew in place. So the 2 up crews have more RM and so get hit harder on rating.

Last time I looked at SCHRS a 1 up F16 was off a quicker rating than a 2 up (.994-1.02). The righting moment factor isn't very helpful in this case or is this the hardest you can hit their rating!

Maybe it should also factor in 4 hands vs. 2 hands on board when dealing with a spinnaker!

And is it me or do all the F18's just dump their main sheet coming around A mark (see photos of the F18NA's)? I was always taught to dump the traveler as you come around A mark and head downwind, not the mainsheet, especially if you are about to hoist the spinnaker and load up the mast. The photos looked to me that most are dumping the mainsheet and keeping the traveler up high.

I have found I can steer the boat right around A mark and keep up good speed, by simply dropping the travler, which is what I do, as I go foreward to hoist the spinny., then I pull it up once things are settled down and the spinn is pulling. I think I only ease the mainsheet a foot or two at most.

If you went inside, would you "really" have to worry about them? They need to give you room for a "seaman-like rounding" which presumably should include that you have 2 fewer hands and might head down past C a bit more than their liking. So they might have to slow down and go behind you else they get driven further off C.

Yeah, believe me I have thought about it, but I don't want to get hit and I don't trust them to -keep clear-.

There is such a thing as being "dead right" and I don't want to patch holes in my boat or go to the protest room.

Would that rounding (past the two boat circle) be considered not "proper course" if Timbo's continuing to head off-wind? Could the other boats luff him?

I suppose the argument could be made that sailing a spinnaker boat solo is -unseamanlike- in the first place! I know during one of the around-alone races there were some other sailors who were saying that the solo world sailors were un-seamanlike, because they could not fully comply with the regulation to always have a "watch" on deck, since at times they would be down below, asleep...

All in all, I'd rather avoid trouble than seek it.