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#159364 11/04/08 12:45 PM 11/04/08 12:45 PM | xanderwess
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#159368 11/04/08 12:55 PM 11/04/08 12:55 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Go for it! There's nothing stopping anyone from doing such a thing. I really don't feel that the championship system is broken. I do feel that our promotion of it is lacking some luster.
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#159402 11/04/08 03:25 PM 11/04/08 03:25 PM |
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | mbounds said, in another thread How about we start doing the area eliminations without Portsmouth numbers? Straight one-design just like all the other US SAILING ladder events. This what you're talking about Mark? seperate starts? use their one design finish position How is it determined who the qualifier is? Pardon me for being a bit slow
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | mbounds said, in another thread How about we start doing the area eliminations without Portsmouth numbers? Straight one-design just like all the other US SAILING ladder events. This what you're talking about Mark? seperate starts? use their one design finish position How is it determined who the qualifier is? Pardon me for being a bit slow I'm pretty sure that what Mark is saying that the area qualifier would be a stop on the local points circuit for the larger classes....H16, TheMightyHobie18, N20, A-cat...The race would continue to be conducted under the portsmouth handicap but within the results, each class earns points in their annual respective class points. The first place a-cat get's his a-cat class points and so on. Rhody's suggestion has merit too but I, personally, would rather continue the open portsmouth event as they are slightly more inclusive of everyone.
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#159431 11/04/08 07:16 PM 11/04/08 07:16 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider OP
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | No
My idea would be 30 to 40 boat single start regatta scored on portsmouth for the US Alter Cup Area qualifier. I would make sure the spin boats were racing for at least 30 to 40 minutes which would put the top 16's finishing 8 minutes back and the race should complete in an hour.... Standard stuff.
The difference is that I would also score the one design classes out and this finish would count towards your final one design score for your season long high point score.
I would market it to the Hobie 16, 17 and 18 sailors... who have all raced on 16's once upon a time as... the Area qualifier and the Hobie Division Championship and put up or shut up family death match.
In Division 11, the Hobie high point series is usually 9-10 regattas so with the addition of an Alter Qualifier/ Hobie Div 11 championship.. So.. that would be 10 regattas usally drawing 30 or more boats.
I would market the regatta to the A class as a Regional single handed championship against the 4 F16's and the strong 12 boat Hobie 17 Div 11 fleet.
This is a top down proposal.
The organized classes would have to support it at the national level.... or at least approve their local regions moving forward on something like this.
That would be the class leadership of NAHCA, the USAC (A class), the NAF18 Class, Sharks and Isotopes and NAF17's.
The 0pen Class of (N20's. F16' and the Dead Boat Society have no nationoal schedule to speak of and I assume they would go with the flow).
Schedules are being made for next season now. If the national class leadership thinks it's important... now is the time to lead.
I propose that the MHC request each national class to propose a class iniative which supports the Area champinships and the US championship as an integral part of their regional and national calendar.
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#159440 11/04/08 07:50 PM 11/04/08 07:50 PM |
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Posts: 1,304 Gulf Coast relocated from Cali... | I don't think they declared anything "unacceptable". Just because they chose another boat, doesn't mean they look at the 16 as unacceptable. I've been watching this whole thing with great interest and I am not supprised at all the remarks from the H16 guys. I don't think the N20 guys got this insulted when the N20 was not the boat of choice for the 2003 Worrell 1000. My first cat was a H16, they still have a special place in my heart. Would you like a kleenex?
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Posts: 894 Branford, CT | I don't think they declared anything "unacceptable". Well this is a bit off the subject but here's the story. They had a fleet of Hobie 16s ready to go with a location. They asked us to change our boat for the event. We said no our boat is fine the way it is. They said no it's not sorry your boat needs to change or it's no acceptable. That's insulting.
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#159444 11/04/08 08:09 PM 11/04/08 08:09 PM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Bob, either you're not being honest or you're just being obtuse. That isn't the way it went down. Quit it.
John Williams
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#159445 11/04/08 08:23 PM 11/04/08 08:23 PM |
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Posts: 127 Rock Hill,SC | The USSA Multihull . . . . . .(no need to copy the whole thing, go to the top.)
Thoughts?
Mark, I think what you suggest is a great idea to increase participation at the qualifiers. Pretty much everything here in the Pensacola area is portsmouth, so we don't see the same issues regarding OD. Also, we sail almost year round, so we don't have some of the time limitations others do. Participation is certainly an issue I would like to address as I grow into this job, help from any direction is appreciated.
Kevin Rejda Rock Hill, SC
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Posts: 894 Branford, CT | Bob, either you're not being honest or you're just being obtuse. That isn't the way it went down. Quit it. I certainly am going beyond paraphrasing so that I could sum things up in a few sentences. But that is effectively what happened. | | | Re: US Multihull Championship proposal.
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Under that sort of paraphrasing, then; The Hobie Class rejected the Hobie Factory's choice for the event.
Neither version is completely fair, and both are offensive to good people on two sides of an issue.
John Williams
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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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Posts: 127 Rock Hill,SC | Bob, either you're not being honest or you're just being obtuse. That isn't the way it went down. Quit it. I certainly am going beyond paraphrasing so that I could sum things up in a few sentences. But that is effectively what happened. You're entitled to your opinion Bob, but you don't really know because you weren't privy to any of the discussion. John is right, that is not how it went down.
Kevin Rejda Rock Hill, SC
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Posts: 894 Branford, CT | Bob, either you're not being honest or you're just being obtuse. That isn't the way it went down. Quit it. I certainly am going beyond paraphrasing so that I could sum things up in a few sentences. But that is effectively what happened. You're entitled to your opinion Bob, but you don't really know because you weren't privy to any of the discussion. John is right, that is not how it went down. Enlighten me. | | |
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