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Re: what type of fid do you use? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #173602
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I've got a set of the Samson fids and I hardly ever use them. Granted, I'm not splicing covered line very often - mostly 12 strand Dyneema / Amsteel and the like. I use a simple splicing needle and it does everything I need to do.

For the model sailboats, I took a moderately sized sewing needle and blunted and polished the end. It works great for splicing 1/32" spectra line for the r/c boat. There's not one single knot on my whole US1M!


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Re: what type of fid do you use? [Re: Jake] #173606
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Thanks Jake...
needles like this style?

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Originally Posted by tami
I oughta be getting a commish from Toss, Hampidjan and Précourt, huh? I'm just real pleased with their stuff, so I tell everyone. Sorry if it's a belaboured point.
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Yes,.. you should at the least.. get a free t-shirt!. Not a "belaboured point", your input has been very valuable... thanks

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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Thanks Jake...
needles like this style?

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Not quite - even more simple than that.

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Though I've become a big fan of the brummel style eye-splice as of late...that shows a simple eye splice in process which will hold but should receive a proper lock stitch for security.


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[quote=Jake]Not quite - even more simple than that.

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Cool. and when you are done with your splice... you can make shish kabobs!

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Does the Brummell not need to be locked stitched to secure?

http://www.neropes.com/SPL_12Strand_EyeSpliceBrummel.aspx

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The problem I see with the needle that Jake has pictured is that the little hook bit would tend to snag fibres inside the core. It would just take a bit more care when drawing the tail through, is all.

(That 'needle' is available at fabric stores - it's used for drawing elastic through casing.)

No, you don't need to lockstitch a correctly done Brummel splice. It locks itself. (That said, I do lockstitch them anyway.) Brummel splices are also known as Möbius Brummel splices. The caveat is CORRECTLY DONE.

A simple tail bury, as Jake has pictured, in hightech low friction lines, will be just fine as long as the line is loaded (the 'chinese finger puzzle' effect).

What happens (disclaimer) IF YOU DON'T LOCKSTITCH A SIMPLE BURY IN HIGH MODULUS LINE is that when the line is NOT loaded, the low friction of the slick high modulus line enables the buried tail to slip right out.


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Originally Posted by tami
Chris, are you using those tools to splice covered line? I gota know your technique 'cause I'd be tearin' my hair out.


Only for core to cover splices - not for eye splices on double braid line. Most of my splicing is high tech single braid. I don't use brummel splices - I interlock the tail three times then bury a few inches with a taper. I then lock stich - as high tech splices can certainly open up if loaded and unloaded (e.g. trap lines). Perhaps I should stop being cheap and throw down for the Toss wand.

I use haemostats (see picture below) as an extra pair of hands when splicing, as well as blue painters tape to secure line to the fid and a sharpy marker to lay out the splice and identify where to cut lines for the taper.

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Re: what type of fid do you use? [Re: tami] #173658
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Originally Posted by tami
The problem I see with the needle that Jake has pictured is that the little hook bit would tend to snag fibres inside the core. It would just take a bit more care when drawing the tail through, is all.

(That 'needle' is available at fabric stores - it's used for drawing elastic through casing.)

No, you don't need to lockstitch a correctly done Brummel splice. It locks itself. (That said, I do lockstitch them anyway.) Brummel splices are also known as Möbius Brummel splices. The caveat is CORRECTLY DONE.

A simple tail bury, as Jake has pictured, in hightech low friction lines, will be just fine as long as the line is loaded (the 'chinese finger puzzle' effect).

What happens (disclaimer) IF YOU DON'T LOCKSTITCH A SIMPLE BURY IN HIGH MODULUS LINE is that when the line is NOT loaded, the low friction of the slick high modulus line enables the buried tail to slip right out.



No hook - it's just a hole (closed) in the end of the needle that you thread the line through. It's really easy to use.


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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Does the Brummell not need to be locked stitched to secure?

http://www.neropes.com/SPL_12Strand_EyeSpliceBrummel.aspx


No, it's a tricky splice to carry out - especially around something like a thimble...but it's interwoven through itself and cannot come apart. You have to see it to appreciate it.


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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by andrewscott
Does the Brummell not need to be locked stitched to secure?

http://www.neropes.com/SPL_12Strand_EyeSpliceBrummel.aspx


No, it's a tricky splice to carry out - especially around something like a thimble...but it's interwoven through itself and cannot come apart. You have to see it to appreciate it.


Is this a good method to try this knot?
http://www.precourt.ca/brummel_splice.pdf

Re: what type of fid do you use? [Re: ] #173714
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Originally Posted by andrewscott
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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Does the Brummell not need to be locked stitched to secure?

http://www.neropes.com/SPL_12Strand_EyeSpliceBrummel.aspx


No, it's a tricky splice to carry out - especially around something like a thimble...but it's interwoven through itself and cannot come apart. You have to see it to appreciate it.


Is this a good method to try this knot?
http://www.precourt.ca/brummel_splice.pdf


I haven't seen that tutorial before - but yes, that is a good one to go by. The Samson Rope tutorials have some additional detail regarding tapering and a way to do it without unstranding the line...personally, I put the line on a table and cut it with a razor blade at a high angle to get a taper on the tail. It's not as perfect or as long a taper as picking and cutting out pairs of strands but for what we use this kind of line for (small control lines), it's fine.


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cool,
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