Pete, is that the Ford GT 40 in the photo? Isn't that like $120,000?
The lotus elise is $40,000 base (used SC for $35,000). That's downright reasonable for what equates to a street legal racing car (no frills adding weight, very stiff ride, hard to get in/out - same as GT 40 at 1/3 the price)
Jay
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#184652 07/09/0903:55 PM07/09/0903:55 PM
Pete, is that the Ford GT 40 in the photo? Isn't that like $120,000?
The lotus elise is $40,000 base (used SC for $35,000). That's downright reasonable for what equates to a street legal racing car (no frills adding weight, very stiff ride, hard to get in/out - same as GT 40 at 1/3 the price)
The Elise was on Supercars up and down Mulholland Drive against a Ferrari 430 and a Porsche Turbo. It beats both of them. Good bang for the buck, if you can go spartan interior and rough ride.
Doug
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#184659 07/09/0904:17 PM07/09/0904:17 PM
Mondeo? Is that the car the Bond was driving in the Bahama's in Casino Royal? Very nice looking sedan.
I'm not a brand loyal type. I've owned a couple of Fords, a few Mopars, a Renault, a Datsun, and a couple of Chev's. Being that only GM, Chrysler, and Ford are the only auto makers to offer a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup, (or van for that matter), imports aren't an option. I can't afford a Freightliner pickup either. Being that GM & Chrysler have been nationalized I will not be knowingly spending my money to support anything of that nature. I am somewhat surprised at the results of the poll so far.
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#184663 07/09/0904:32 PM07/09/0904:32 PM
All of the diesel 1/2 tons have been canned again. Don't know why. With Ford it could be the falling out with Navistar.
Japan couldn't import 1/2 tons until I think 94' or 95', they were regulated on what they could import, and those regulations were loosened up. That's why they also don't import any larger SUV type vehicles.
I won't buy another gas pickup, and it'll be a few years before they can get diesels figured out again. With all of the pollution systems the mileage sucks, and the reliability isn't any good either. If you're ok with potentially paying a $10,000 fine if you get caught for removing it all there's always that option. If the price of diesel goes back up to $5/gal then it'd pay out pretty easily. Being most of the new diesel pickups are getting almost 25% less mileage than the models they were selling in 2006.
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[Re: Karl_Brogger]
#184672 07/09/0906:16 PM07/09/0906:16 PM
All of the diesel 1/2 tons have been canned again. Don't know why. With Ford it could be the falling out with Navistar.
Japan couldn't import 1/2 tons until I think 94' or 95', they were regulated on what they could import, and those regulations were loosened up. That's why they also don't import any larger SUV type vehicles.
I won't buy another gas pickup, and it'll be a few years before they can get diesels figured out again. With all of the pollution systems the mileage sucks, and the reliability isn't any good either. If you're ok with potentially paying a $10,000 fine if you get caught for removing it all there's always that option. If the price of diesel goes back up to $5/gal then it'd pay out pretty easily. Being most of the new diesel pickups are getting almost 25% less mileage than the models they were selling in 2006.
That's actually why I bought an older truck than I wanted ('01 7.3 PSD). 600+ ft-lbs of torque and ~20 mpg unloaded at 65mph.
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[Re: krona]
#184674 07/09/0906:31 PM07/09/0906:31 PM
I don't understand why Ford don't bring the Euro cars over here.... I mean even the Focus looks cool over there (see bellow). And what's up with not bringing the Turbo Diesel engines over... The Mondeo often goes up against the BMW 5 series and Audi A6, often as the slightly cheaper alternative but commonly considered "almost as good" The Diesel Mondeo is a big car and gets about 50 MPG. Even with higher diesel cost it still makes up for it, and you'd get some tax credits as well.
NACRA 570 #90308 Hobie 16 #68973
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[Re: krona]
#184692 07/09/0908:35 PM07/09/0908:35 PM
In Minnesota you pay twice as much tax on diesel as gasoline, so I'm not sure what kind of tax credit makes up for that. Also most of the Euro diesels can't meet our emissions laws. That's why the VW TDI's weren't available for a year or two. VW needed to get their stuff together. Catapillar got out or will be getting out of the semi engine business all together. Not worth the hassle of trying to meet emission laws.
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[Re: Karl_Brogger]
#184751 07/10/0909:17 AM07/10/0909:17 AM
In Minnesota you pay twice as much tax on diesel as gasoline, so I'm not sure what kind of tax credit makes up for that. Also most of the Euro diesels can't meet our emissions laws. That's why the VW TDI's weren't available for a year or two. VW needed to get their stuff together. Catapillar got out or will be getting out of the semi engine business all together. Not worth the hassle of trying to meet emission laws.
For a long time one major difference was the Diesel it self available over in Europe, now with the low sulfur diesel available here as well, the VW TDI is back and the market is opening back up.
Quote from above "And you need more cupholders & dvd players so we can focus less on the drive and more on our personal lives."
Sorry, could you repeat that?
I was driving, reading my email, texting, and watching x-men. I'd ask Wendy what you said but she is chaning the baby and putting on makeup in the visor mirror. HA!
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Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won't expect it back.
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[Re: waterbug_wpb]
#184755 07/10/0909:31 AM07/10/0909:31 AM
How about. . . oh I don't know. . . TAKE THE EXCURSION AND OTHER ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIERS OFF THE ROAD! Public highways are for transportation not intimidation and mayhem.
Pete Pollard Blade 702
'When you have a lot of things to do, it's best to get your nap out of the way first.
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#184758 07/10/0909:42 AM07/10/0909:42 AM
