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#187848 08/13/09 09:50 AM 08/13/09 09:50 AM |
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Posts: 5,525 | You can find small leaks with a stethoscope. It may take a little time; don't ask me how I know.
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#187856 08/13/09 10:17 AM 08/13/09 10:17 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Do you have to make another resin separator for each time you use it? Or is the amount of resin collected not an issue? You would think the resin would harden in the hoses and collector making it a one use item.
Clayton At least for me, ideally you don't get any resin back into the tubing. With a perforated bleed layer over the lamination coupled with a layer of felt, the excess resin should be captured within the bag. The felt performs double duty by first allowing full distribution of vacuum inside the bag (the bag / laminate would otherwise tend to seal itself) and absorb excess resin. However, if you are infusing, you don't use the perforated / peel ply or the felt and you will most certainly get some resin back in the tubing. You throw away the saturated tubing when done. You can line the reservoir with a bag or place a small bucket/cup inside to catch the resin as it drips in (assuming you can open it once sealed). Mike's PVC reservoir is nice for this purpose - he can just cut it off and glue a new bottom in the reservoir with a union (though it would be nice to be able to see inside...but I'm not sure how you do that without some expensive acrylic tubing)
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Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,253 Columbia South Carolina, USA dave mosley
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Posts: 1,253 Columbia South Carolina, USA | Mike,
Nice setup on the vacuum. Note, however that the pump will not hold the vacuum on it's own if you turn it off - it will bleed back through the vanes and discharge your reservoir.. a check valve at the discharge of the pump, or better yet, a electric 3-way mac valve will seal off the vacuum pump when it's off.
In the medical field we use a "water seal system" for chest tubes. It creates a negative pressure system for reinflating the lungs after puncture or surgery(The lung cavity has a negative pressure which keeps the lungs inflated as opposed to the notion that air inflates them positively), but anyway once suction is applied to the water seal system, it cannot bleed back thru the water to lose the pressure. I suppose a check valve does the same, but the bong with a water filled chamber between the pump and the seal may suffice for cheap. I had the same question about bleed back of extra resin into the bong...does it collect there and harden, or is there a relief for the resin to pour out? Thanks for all the info, keep it coming
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#187995 08/13/09 10:07 PM 08/13/09 10:07 PM |
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Posts: 678 Palm Beach County | One of the main reasons is to keep any extra resin away from my pump. Lay-up on a 20’ hull with two skins of carbon and some spots 4 skins in tropical heat will have to be fast so if a little extra epoxy goes on it will be bagged out into the felt, if the felt fills it will go into the reservoir. That is not the plan to suck epoxy into the reservoir like Jake says .........but when do things always go according to plan?
The resin that may go into the tank will just harden in the bottom. At some point if it clogs the reservoir you can cut the bottom off and add a new piece of PVC.
I used clear tubing from the manifold to the pump and resin checked the tubing to see if it melts. The tubing worked well and I actually peeled the resin off of it. I will also use the clear tubing from the mold to the reservoir so I can see if I have epoxy flowing out of the mold. The clear plastic tubing is about $5 for a 10’ roll and should be reusable because it will be in upwards bends so the resin will flow through it, not sit in it.
The water seal sounds good, and from what I hear, bongs had water in them but with the vacuum created on these systems it would suck the water right into the pump.
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Posts: 678 Palm Beach County | Thanks Pete I don't have a stethoscope but I use a piece of tubing. I use to tune twin SU's carbs on my MGA the same way.
The vacuum held for an hour then I opened it up because I went to bed and wanted to lock the pump up in the shop.
Now if the rain stays away this week-end. I've got two week-ends before my shoulder surgey to finish the mast and get the first lay-up on the TMS-20. Then I will be injured reserved for 1 - 2 months.
Mike Shappell www.themanshed.comTMS-20 Builder G-Cat 5.7 - Current Boat NACRA 5.2 - early 70's | | | Re: Repairing A=Cat mast
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Posts: 5,525 | You're welcome. You do realize what you've started with this "ManShed" thing? So far I've thrown out two big bags of crap that were hiding my work bench and added three new sets of shelves. Soon, I'll actually be able to do some work!
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Posts: 890 Dunedin Causeway, FL | ...I've thrown out two big bags of crap that were hiding my work bench Terrible mistake! You know exactly what will happen. You will immediately need something that you just threw out. MANLAW: NEVER throw anything away that is remotely useful. (build a bigger shed, a ManShed!) | | |
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