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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: scooby_simon] #196701
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Fold the spi over two times paralell to the luff and check what the luff curve looks like against a straight line.

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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: scooby_simon] #196763
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Originally Posted by scooby_simon
Can you see these?

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


The day when those photos were taken had to be probably the most fun day I've had sailing so far, 4 1/2 hours of just enough wind to get to where we going and then 1 hour solid of adrenaline, out on the wire reach, all the way home, see a boat up ahead, 10 minute later they were behind. What a load of fun it was. smile

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Originally Posted by waynemarlow
Originally Posted by scooby_simon
Can you see these?

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]


The day when those photos were taken had to be probably the most fun day I've had sailing so far, 4 1/2 hours of just enough wind to get to where we going and then 1 hour solid of adrenaline, out on the wire reach, all the way home, see a boat up ahead, 10 minute later they were behind. What a load of fun it was. smile


Mayne, and remember we only went 1/2 distance.

I've done full distance when windy and sailed OUT with the kite up all the way to Walton in 80 minutes, and we SAILED UP to Osea from the Club line first. We were sailing a Hurricane59 with a Spi mind!!!


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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: scooby_simon] #196953
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Here are the tidied up results and data of all who participated in the F16 GC 2009 Gulfport USA.

10 Vipers, 7 Blades, 4 Falcons, 2 Taipans and 1 G-cat F16; in total 24 crews who finished at least 2 races.

The event saw 8 singlehanded crews and 16 doublehanded crews.

And first place overall went to an adult/kid team, with a two-blokes doing second place and a mixed (aldult) male/female team in third. A very nice mix of the F16 (2-up) target group indeed.

Interesting to note (see the green numbers) is that the claim that Vipers were the first 5 boats over the line in the heavy wind days is not really reflected in the results.

Vipers were 1 to 5 in races.. 1, 2, 5, 6, 10, 11 and 12 (all strong wind days apparently)
But indeed were not in races 3, 4, 7, 8 and 9 ..........(or in light wind races 13, 14 and 15)


However, Viper crews were first 3 boats over the line in race 1 to 12 (heavy winds); still an incredibally impressive result, no doubt about that.

Best grouping of non-Vipers crews was in race 13 were 2 Falcons and a Blade laid claim to finish places 2 to 4.

Best score by a Taipan crew was 6th place in race 6 after that they stuck to midfleet placings; really not bad for an oldie. There also doesn't appear to be that much difference between a 1-up and 2-up Taipan.

And of course we see how well Andi Lutz and Martin Schori did; they have put in 4 top 5 finishes on a Blade; 3 of them in heavy winds.

Team McDonald did 6 top 5 finishes overall on their Falcon F16. Also 3 of these in heavy winds.

It is also nice to note that after the previous two Global Challenges were won by a singlehanded F16 skipper (2007 : Hans Klok/Blade, 2008 : John Pierce/Stealth); this years GC was dominated by the doublehanded crews. All GC's up to now had big wind, so that can't be given as an excuse. grin

I think this wraps it up and till next years F16 Global Challenge !

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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: Wouter] #196954
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Wouter, I can't see because the print is too small, but who was the highest placing Uni driver, at what was his highest finish, and in what race? Thanks.


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Timbo,

right click on the list and select "view picture".. wink

Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: Timbo] #196956
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Tim,

Sone forum readers had this problem before. The printing isn't small in reality but your browser reduces the size on any inline pictures. I have forgotten how this problem is solved. It is at least not something I can change.

An alternative solution is to save the (small) picture to disk and open seperately; it should be full size then.

In answering your questions :

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who was the highest placing Uni driver



Ed Mills (Blade F16), our residential STUD ! grin


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what was his highest finish and in what race


3rd place in race 13; right behind 2-ups Team McDonald (Falcon) and Team Daniels (Viper) who were respectively 2nd and 1st in that race. 4th at that time was 1-up Daniel Feldman (Falcon) with 2-up team Casey being 5th on the Viper.

Wouter


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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: Wouter] #196964
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Thanks Wouter and Rolf.


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Tim,

You should have read the last article on formula16.net... ;-)


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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: Gilo] #196985
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Thanks, now I'll go look for it.


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Originally Posted by Timbo
Wouter, I can't see because the print is too small, but who was the highest placing Uni driver, at what was his highest finish, and in what race? Thanks.

Tim, click on the link below to see it full size:
http://www.catsailor.com/bb_files/11215.gif

Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: Tony_F18] #197012
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After all of the talk about measuring and class weights it sounds like the boats were measured at Gulfport. Are those results posted anywhere?

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Nobody kept "score" of all the weights as far as I know. I know my Blade weighed about 112-113, the number was jumping around a little bit because my mast was up and the wind was blowing, rocking the boat just a little bit.

Some boats had their masts up, some down, I don't know if that matters other than the 1kilo jiggle.

Other than Carla Shiefer (sp-10) who was doing the measuring, I don't think anyone kept a log of all the weights, and I'm not sure if she did either.

I didn't stick around to watch any other boats being weighed so I can't say what the others weighed.


And Tony, thanks for the link.


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Seth's Taipan was the lightest about at 107 or 109 kgs. Can't remember which.


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Quote

After all of the talk about measuring and class weights it sounds like the boats were measured at Gulfport. Are those results posted anywhere?



Even back at teh GC 2007 is wasn't official policy to publicize the measurement results.

We all know that the weights of the boats that were there as a few of us made an effort to be around when the data was collected and told eachother what we learned. Of course this ended up in a discussion on the forum and so this data can be retrieved from the archive.

Point being that the data was never publicized by the measurers and I don't expect them to break tradition here. And that is the way it should be I think.

So the only option we have here is the boat owners themselves confessing up to their weight or some spy spilling the beans !


We already have the following data (from other threads)

107 / 104 kg ; Formula 16 class minimum for 1-up / 2-up

104.5 kg ; Conny Seremetis's Taipan USA 276 (1-up) GC number 18
107 or 109 kg ; Seth's Taipan USA 213 (2-up) GC number 13
112.0 kg ; Ed Mills's Blade ??? (1-up) GC number 16
112.5 kg ; Tim Bohan's Blade USA 777 (2-up) GC number 5
112.5 kg (?); Lynn Olsen's Blade 1 (2-up) GC number 3
113.0 kg ; Daniel Feldman's Falcon ??? (1-up) GC number 12
116.0 kg ; Kris Hathaway's Falcon ??? (1-up) GC number 17
120.0 kg ; Pete Pollard's Blade 702 (2-up) GC number 1
129 kg ; Mike Borden's Viper USA 132 (2-up) GC number 6
135 kg ; Unkown Viper (Down from 145 kg)


Not present at GC 2009 but presented as comparisons.

104.0 kg ; Hans Klok VWM Blade NED 111 (1-up) Production series with carbon mast, boom and spi pole.
105.5 kg ; Simon Porteous Aussie Blade AUS 405 (1-up) Production series
112.0 kg ; Mark Pressdee Stealth ??? (1-up) GC 2007
112.5 kg ; Geert Ruesink Blade NED ??? (2-up) GC and Alter cup 2007
112.5 kg ; Matt McDonald Blade USA ??? (2-up) GC and Alter cup 2007
112.7 kg ; Marcus Towell Aussie Blade AUS ??? (1-up) Prototype GC 2007
122.3 kg ; Wouter Hijink Taipan F16 (2-up) GC 2007; the homebuild prototype F16 ; first commisioned boat under F16 rules (intentionally overbuild)


Tim ?

Your boat is an alter cup 2007 blade right ? If so then Lynn Olsens Blade will also be 112.5 kg. All the Alter Cup Blades weight about the same. I know Geert has an Alter Cup Blade overhere and that was also measured at about 112.5 kg at the GC 2007.

Marcus, Mark, Matt and Geert ?

Is my memory correct with respect to your boats.


So !!!

Who else is up for it ?

Wouter


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He also has a carbon boom and synthetic trap lines....At least I know he has a carbon boom, but I'm pretty sure about the syntetic trap lines.


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235 lbs is the min for sloop, correct?

that's 106kgs.... correct?



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From Google conversion calculator :

107 kilograms = 235.894621 pounds


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Mine was weighed sloop because I was supposed to have my dad crew with me...but had to go UNI because he hurt is back onthe first day of practice...I still left the sloop stuff on though...So, I raced at 129kgs, fully rigged.


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Constantine's Taipan - 104.5 ding, ding, ding (winner)!
Ed's Blade - 112
Kris's Falcon - 116
Dan's Falcon - 113

There was a Viper at 145 but that was before the water in the hulls, the full cups of refreshment sitting on the hulls, and daggerboard covers were removed. I believe they got it down to the mid 130s at Carla's insistence.

BTW, Carla and her assistants should be commended for their tireless work to measure so many boats and sails in such a short amount of time.

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