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#196647 11/17/09 03:47 PM 11/17/09 03:47 PM |
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Posts: 2,584 +31NL | Not the bright red sail to the right, the little triangle to the left. Thats to keep it head-to-wind when on the mooring. I have used it on a yacht, where it attaches to the backstay instead. | | | Re: "My God! It's Full of Wing!"
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#196650 11/17/09 04:34 PM 11/17/09 04:34 PM |
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Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI | What is that little triangle sail to the lower left in that picture? Is that the Wing's Spinnaker or a speed brake? ;^) It's the "parking sail" - one of two that are on each side of the boat when it's at its mooring. Keeps the boat pointed into the wind. | | | Re: "My God! It's Full of Wing!"
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#196656 11/17/09 05:25 PM 11/17/09 05:25 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | The huge wing sail doesn't do that already? Seems to me any little puff comes along, especially 150' up, and those little parking sails will be about useless keeping that thing straight!
Now, if the big stick were not there at all, sure, Lobster boats have been using these for years, but how effective are they next to a 200' tall wingsail?
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#196664 11/17/09 06:28 PM 11/17/09 06:28 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I think it's for **** shade for the guys left on the boat all day when it's not actually sailing.
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#196666 11/17/09 06:37 PM 11/17/09 06:37 PM |
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Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA | The huge wing sail doesn't do that already? Seems to me any little puff comes along, especially 150' up, and those little parking sails will be about useless keeping that thing straight! Well, no the wing wouldn't. A boat at anchor will naturally yaw back and forth to the wind. If it has any source of lift (above or below the water), then it will tend to sail upwind on its tether. The anchor riding sail(s) is(are) there to impart a big weather helm. They cause the boat to pivot head-to-wind before it sails too far. Two such sails (tacked outboard at the sterns) would turn the boat quite aggressively. Regards, Eric | | | Re: "My God! It's Full of Wing!"
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#196669 11/17/09 07:07 PM 11/17/09 07:07 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Ahhh, I see. But why don't they just put out a stern anchor since people will be on board anyway?
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#196670 11/17/09 07:08 PM 11/17/09 07:08 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | they're little sails to help the boat and wing weathervane into the wind better.
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#196686 11/18/09 01:38 AM 11/18/09 01:38 AM |
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Posts: 110 Northern California, USA | I think they will be alright. Five guys sleep aboard at night, including a guy that can sail the thing. Tony, this just cracked me up, Laughing my butt off!!! Thanks The question is, does he have the keys to the engine????
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[Re: Timbo]
#196703 11/18/09 07:22 AM 11/18/09 07:22 AM |
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Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA | Ahhh, I see. But why don't they just put out a stern anchor since people will be on board anyway? 1) Because the wind may shift. 2) A stern anchor won't keep the boat from yawing, it will just stop the boat (with a jerk) when it reaches the end of the line. What you really want, is something that keeps the boat pointed into the wind, so that it doesn't want to sail away in the first place - which is just what an anchor riding sail does. I've helped run several regattas using a friend's Beneteau 44 as a signal boat. It's keel generates enough lift that, when at anchor, it will sail off to one side, stall, drift back, catch, and sail off to the other side all day long (which is not what you want happening to one end of the starting line). A small sail hoist up the backstay keeps the boat pointed into the wind and it stays put very nicely. Regards, Eric | | | Re: "My God! It's Full of Wing!"
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#196705 11/18/09 07:27 AM 11/18/09 07:27 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Yeah but, were you under bare poles or did you also have your 200' high wing sail? Maybe the reason they keep 5 crew on board all night is to "sail" it at anchor, so it doesn't try to go away if it gets sideways in a windshift?
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#196711 11/18/09 07:47 AM 11/18/09 07:47 AM | andrewscott
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How do you know the guys on board are jerks? | | | Re: "My God! It's Full of Wing!"
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#196722 11/18/09 08:32 AM 11/18/09 08:32 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Yeah but, were you under bare poles or did you also have your 200' high wing sail? Maybe the reason they keep 5 crew on board all night is to "sail" it at anchor, so it doesn't try to go away if it gets sideways in a windshift? The guys are playing cards all night and playing on the internet - they're on security watch and to have capability to deal with some unforeseen scenario should something happen. They're not actively doing anything during the night...the boat weather vanes directly into the wind nicely.
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#196743 11/18/09 10:02 AM 11/18/09 10:02 AM |
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | The "guy who knows how to sail it" and is sleeping on board is "Blunted", the same C Class sailor who posted here about a year ago a bunch of pictures of Cogito, its wing and other C Class challengers, with and without lifting foils. The "small" twin sails are anchor riding sails indeed.
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