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Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: Aido] #202488
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Originally Posted by Aido
I wish the F16 and F17 boys and girls could get along. The boats are nearly identical in performance. So geting pissd of about handicap ratings doesnt make a lot of sense to me. You just need to race each other off scatch and beat each other over the line.

For the record ive seen the numbers for the F17 sloop and its 104 texel rating but im sure i ve mentioned this before. You would have to delete a **** load of wieght from the F17 to get it to weigh near any of the production F16s.

F17 is a great boat none the less. They should definitely be starting with and included in the results with the F16s IMO. Maybe we can learn something from the Master Uni rig sailor as well. It would be fun to have a crack at him any way.


Could you please send the certs to me; I'm STILL waiting for them to calc an SCHRS rating.


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Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: scooby_simon] #202494
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Sorry Simon I don't have a photographic memory. You must know some of the numbers. Get Wouter to do some extrapolation for you.


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Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: Aido] #202500
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Back to the original question. The skiff boys all use these on their cunningham (and vang).

go to Carbon where easy. Boom, spinnaker pole, tiller cross bar.

Google "rivnuts" to make adding amd removing jib gear easy.

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Makes sense scarecrow. When I'm rich a carbon mast is going on too.


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Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: Aido] #202557
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Wow, the nutsert's themselves aren't that bad, but the kit to get the tool is crazy expensive! I haven't found just the tool yet, but the kits from Fastenal are $145-$244. I'm sure they come with more fasteners than I need though.

A person probably wants to make sure those threads are well lubed, and removed periodically to prevent siezing. I gotta imagine those are a bugger to remove once corroded.

Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #202558
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Gotta love McMaster-Carr. $30 for the tool.

(edit)- I'd assume stainless would be the best route to go, but what about aluminum? Too easy to strip out?

(edit#2)- I was thinking about getting some carbon fibre tube for the boom and tiller crossbar, but really that was just because its so damn sexy.

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Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #202594
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yes go stainless, but if looking at a "cheap tool" do a test pull before your pay. The big St. steel rivnuts are really hard to press.

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I was looking at the model that requires a box end wrench, and an allen key.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#rivet-nut-installation-tools/=5qgiok

or search for "riv nut installation tool"

Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: Aido] #202612
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Originally Posted by Aido
Sorry Simon I don't have a photographic memory. You must know some of the numbers. Get Wouter to do some extrapolation for you.


No good; We need measurement confirmation of numbers. The Measurement certificate that was presented at Carnac 2008 will do; I was told I would be sent it. It never came; I still wonder why.


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Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: Karl_Brogger] #202614
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
I was looking at the model that requires a box end wrench, and an allen key.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#rivet-nut-installation-tools/=5qgiok


I've never used one of them. I've always used the big double handle jobs.

or search for "riv nut installation tool"


Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: scooby_simon] #202622
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Fairly sure there was no F17 at Carnac in 2008. It probably doesnt matter any way. Have you seen one in real life? I know of 3 of them. Not really worth the effort with those numbers is it.

Scarecrow. Any tips on what size carbon tubes we need for booms and spinnaker poles. Will a carbon tube with the same dimensions as the aluminium ones do?


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Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: Aido] #202624
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A carbon tube of the same dimensions will give you an approx. 30% weight saving and be stiffer and stronger.

Re: Deleting excess weight? [Re: ] #202625
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one could go carbon/boron tubes..

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