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Re: safe sailing [Re: pgp] #208713
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How is the windward/leward situation any different with two spinnaker boats converging on each other?

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Re: safe sailing [Re: ThunderMuffin] #208714
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Awareness and visibility.


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'When you have a lot of things to do, it's best to get your nap out of the way first.

Re: safe sailing [Re: pgp] #208715
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So a F18 coming downwind on an F16...

the F16 has less visibility than, lets say, a Hobie 16?

It makes no damn difference whatsoever! Windward/Leward crossings with even all spin boat courses - you're still going to have the same problem.

Re: safe sailing [Re: ThunderMuffin] #208716
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Okay. I started out by asking a question. I guess the answer is no.

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Re: safe sailing [Re: pgp] #208719
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Originally Posted by pgp
I guess the answer is no.
Lol! Well put.

Re: safe sailing [Re: pgp] #208721
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Originally Posted by pgp
Okay. I started out by asking a question. I guess the answer is no.


Nice!!!


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Re: safe sailing [Re: pgp] #221548
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Originally Posted by pgp
Downwind the spin throws up a giant blind spot and it's just a matter of time before someone gets hurt. There are a couple of "too close for comfort" stories going around with reliable witnesses in support.

Anyone for changing the right of way rules? I have it on good authority it can be done in the SI.


At a regatta last weekend a Hobie Wildcat sunk a Dart 18.
One was going downwind with spin, the other going upwind.
One less slow boat to worry about I guess grin wink

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Re: safe sailing [Re: Tony_F18] #221551
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Just skimmed this thread, my god it is scary how many of you don't know the rules. From not knowing you have to do your spin(s) as soon as possible (without avoiding other racers) to not knowing leeward vs windward, etc etc....

If you don't know if you are clear to gybe, don't! If you approach a windward mark, make sure you are aware of what is comming upwind (not hard to look around before you start your down turn). If you have a blind spot, make sure you figure out how to remove it!

End rant, this thread scares me, I'm with whomever said their should be a quiz before every regatta, almost 'proof you are good enough to sail'.

Scary stuff guys, you drive a car without knowing the rules of the road?

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Re: safe sailing [Re: maritimesailor] #221555
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"Scary stuff guys, you drive a car without knowing the rules of the road?"

Of course! Why do you think there are over 40,000 trafic fatalities in the US every year?

Hey, at least -most of us- are not Texting while flying a spnnaker downwind running into upwind traffic!


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Re: safe sailing [Re: Timbo] #221559
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Just to be clear, the Wildcat skipper in question is very experiened and this wasnt a rules knowledge problem.
Because they where at the front of the fleet they didnt expect another boat would still be going upwind at that point.

Re: safe sailing [Re: Tony_F18] #221569
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Wow. Not sure what else to say. Wow.

This really is less about rules, experience or anything other than common sense.

It could just as well been a powerboat that the Wildcat hit. They probably would have lost that battle (even with the right-of-way).

Say it with me now, "Must...keep...watch..."

Mike

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