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Maryland | If you want to argue boat weight, take it to the F-16 forum. They love to do that over there! Stick it in your $ear!!! Usually it is instigated and/or perpetuated by F18 sailors poking their nose in F16 business. Macca is a classic example though he is not alone. Notice how the F16 class is staying out of this, not to say we are not lurking.
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tampa, fl | You just made your used 165 kg boat very very hard to sell. ;-) If I had a say, I'd be trying to get some younger dudes (that may not have a grip of $$ laying around) on them, otherwise the class will run into the same issues every other cat class is falling victim to...an aging population. I agree with Surf City. I think I am the only one that participates in F18 on the west coast under 35. Part of the problem is that 99% of our sailors originally sailed other catamaran classes. That doesn't add to the catamaran community or the sailing community. To grow we need to actively promote our class to young people. By that I mean take people who you think would enjoy sailing an F18 out on your boat. Even go as far as using them for crew in a regatta. If my boat would have cost $20K when I was 22 (they used to be under $15K), I would have bought something else. I certainly agree that the cost of an F-18 ain't cheap (new or used). But lets compare costs with another popular one design class (here in the states). A new Melges 24 is in excess of $60k. A used one will set you back $30-40k (for a competitive one). The cost to campaign a M24 is many times that of an F-18. I regularly race on M24's. The fun factor between the two is not even close. Many of the M24 sailors sail the boat because they love the speed. Well, if it's speed they want, they could get a whole lot more for a whole lot less!
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| But lets compare costs with another popular one design class (here in the states). A new Melges 24 is in excess of $60k. But no one under 40 owns a M24. I bet 95% of the owners used to own something like a J/24. I heard they weren't a growing class either. | | | Re: F18 from 180kg to 140kg?
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tampa, fl ksurfer2
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tampa, fl | That is correct, but not really the point I was trying to make. Racing beachcats provides a tremendous value for the dollar. Far greater than sportboats do, and a whole bunch more fun too (in my opinion)!
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Victoria, Australia C2 Mike
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Victoria, Australia | FYI, F18 is to wide to tow flat legally in Australia. If you have to tilt, may as well have a wide enogh beam to warrant it. Tilting is not really an issue either...... Those who bitch about it are usually those who have never done it and raced a big beam boat. Give me a 10 foot + wide boat any day. Well that's not entirely right. You can legally tow it flat in Australia. All you need are wide load signs on each end which I have seen done on many occasions. (Most including me don't bother) Cheers Tiger Mike | | |
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I guess it'd be more complicated than I think. 
