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Anacortes | Hello, just wondering what the qualifications are to register for the worlds in 2012... From looking at the registered boats in France this year it appeared there were many more french boats than allotments based on what I read in the Int F18 rules.
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Long Beach, California | The host country gets extra slots during the allotment. In addition, as the date for an event draws closer and teams from other countries bail out, it usually follows that teams from the host country are best positioned to accept last-minute slots due to cancellations.
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Anacortes | cool thanks John! We are new to the F18 but hope to improve enough in the next couple of years to be able to go to the Worlds. What an experience that would be!
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Long Beach, California | Right now, the discussion has been that there would not be a separate NAs - as in 2005 when the Tiger Worlds were in Santa Barbara, it was a combined event and the top NA team was declared the champ for that year.
I don't think anything is final in that regard, but that's where the discussion has been.
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Long Beach, California | We have to do it already... it has been a while since the NA champ was also 1st place. ;->
I'll bet this will be a topic of discussion in the coming weeks - members watch the inbox.
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Long Beach, California | So we need to schedule a North American Championship prior to Worlds so that all the international sailors can get themselves sorted out? I'm laughing, actually, out loud.
Honestly, I'm sure it will be up for a class vote, and then submitted to the host club if necessary. There is already a warm-up event scheduled - Labor Day regatta. My suspicion (based on history) is that there will only be a few teams that can afford to take the time to do both. Stacking on another event? *shrugs*
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Clermont, FL, USA | Yep, watch your inbox. I just have to get the distribution list sorted, I don't want to leave any of our new members out.
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Long Beach, California | The Board expects that there will be teams that arrive early. We're trying to estimate the number of containers and when they might arrive. They expect the Labor Day regatta would be used as a warm-up event - two days of a separate F18 course either in the harbor or outside the breakwater or both.
The question for the class is if there is a perceived need to have a separate NAs in 2012, and why or why not. There is no question about a warm-up event; it is already on the books. Calling the Labor Day event the NA Champs, in my opinion, serves no purpose. It won't attract more teams, already sits on top of the Worlds, and will be attended by many international teams.
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tampa, fl | I think a 2012 NA's held seperatley from the worlds would be a tough sell to a lot of teams. Many teams will need to prioritize which event they will make the necessary committments of time, money, vacation, and other resources to attend. I feel that many teams will choose worlds over NA's.
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Clermont, FL, USA | The one thing I don't like about having worlds be NA's is that you need to qualify to participate. Because NA's will most certainly be worth the most points for deciding who goes to 2013 worlds, it makes it difficult for a new team to qualify for 2013. They would have to qualify in 2011 to go to 2012 worlds to qualify for 2013 worlds. It discourages participation.
On the other hand, as long as I have a job, I will not attend two week long regattas in the same year. I would also suspect that East Coast teams would not come to Long Beach for a two day NA championship unless they also qualified for worlds.
Perhaps the solution is to not have a NA championship in 2012 and make the regional championships a bigger deal by making them longer than 2 days, making them worth more points, or at least promoting them more would be a good compromise. This post does a nice job summarizing the situation. And before you get too twisted up about making the cut for the 2013 Worlds, we (the US) have never used all of our allocated slots. This doesn't guarantee the situation will be the same come 2013, but it's not something we need to get preoccupied with.
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