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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Don_Atchley] #212851
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Don, is that a hobie or nacra snuffer? I get the two confused!

I am not liking the way some people perceive these forums as "their" forums.


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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Dazz] #212854
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Dazz,
I believe the gentleman was referring to the thread, and not the Forum.



Dennis Key makes a nice snuffer for any brand - http://www.gobarefootstudio.com/snu_08.html
So I'm going to guess the one in the picture is from the Capricorn that Dennis has as a background shot.



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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Don_Atchley] #212857
06/07/10 12:04 AM
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Don, I know.. just so many pedantic posts.. probably myself included.

That SNU looks like an updated model... from the website the price looks updated too! ouchies!


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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Dazz] #212858
06/07/10 12:27 AM
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Pricing was updated to include shipping in the US and some additional materials in the latest generation. Still a great deal when priced against replacement stock parts.


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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Don_Atchley] #212977
06/07/10 06:19 PM
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I was just about to drill and rivet my SNU to the pole. Is that a bad idea?

Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: rhodysail] #212978
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Don't do it. It's not necessary. Just wrapping with a few sections of vinyl tape works fine.

We've also found it works best if mounted forward, to the point where the first velcro strip is in front of the bridle. I'll try to find a picture.


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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Don_Atchley] #212989
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The C2 is a bit different, Don - they went with a two-patch spinnaker, which means the bag is a little longer (92-inches instead of 78).

Bob, your SNU does not need to be riveted on. You can do it if you want, of course, but it really isn't necessary. Three zip ties and seven wraps of electrical tape over each tie. Dennis has an instructional video that is in post-production now. Your bag will extend aft past the front beam. I'll get some pics for you.


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Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: John Williams] #213021
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I don't like the idea of that John, the downhaul will cut a hole in the top of the bag. TA did that to my boat, when I got the new bag I put it back to the standard length. no more holes!


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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: John Williams] #213041
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Originally Posted by John Williams
The C2 is a bit different..


And so are the guys that sail them... laugh


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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Dazz] #213074
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Hi Dazz -

A pic will resolve the issue... the bag passes aft on the port side of the post - a straight shot to the retrieval hole in the tramp. The cunningham passes through the tramp at the front beam on the starboard side of the mast. None of the cunningham lines contact the spinnaker bag.

With a two-patch spin, the standard bag isn't an option - you have to have a bit more length.


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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: John Williams] #213078
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Hey, let's let this thread die. I'll post pics of the SNU on a C2 in a new thread later.


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Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: John Williams] #213099
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Hi everbody, please excuse me for answering that late - i was abroad - but as I see did you entertain well with lots of off-topic ;-)

So, what happened?

Nothing.

My friend will not buy this boat. The dealer was pretty concerned but didn't offer the from our point of view only solution: changing both hulls. In fact he didn't make any offer until now. So time goes by and we are going to Texel with my old I18 frown and forget about Hobies 2009 Wildcats.

Cordially, Uli

Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Lockenfisch] #213124
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IMHO replacing both hulls is an extreme measure and I doubt many dealers would have gone along with that.
I also don't see why once professionally repaired it wouldn't hold up for many more years.

Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Tony_F18] #213126
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You are right Tony,

but if you would have seen and heard these hulls I'm sure that you would have the same opinion. Maybe they repair these two specific places on each hull nicely. But what happens in one, two or more years in other areas of these poor quality hulls?

You know what I thought Hobie would handle the case? Taking these hulls out of public immediatly, examine them, let them disappear and put new ones one the boat.

Bye, Uli

Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: TEAMVMG] #213145
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Originally Posted by TEAMVMG
Originally Posted by JeffS
the bridal tang pulling out of a 5yr old Infusion in Europe and the manufacturer was making the owner pay for the repair.


If it was 5 years old, it wasn't an infusion!!!

I expect that the owner went moaning on a forum before approaching the manufacturer, what was in it for the manufacturer after that?

Sorry Paul it was a Nacra F18 here's the link to the thread.
http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubb...;Main=17277&Number=189842#Post189842
It's still good to know about problems that happen so that I can look at the area's on boats before purchase


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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Tony_F18] #213183
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
IMHO replacing both hulls is an extreme measure and I doubt many dealers would have gone along with that.
I also don't see why once professionally repaired it wouldn't hold up for many more years.


If I paid the money the dealers are asking for the new F18's I would want new hulls too (if I bought the boat new). You even say" you don't see why once professionally repaired it wouldn't hold up for many more years" that means you have doubt about how long it will last.

Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: John Williams] #213184
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I think this guy's name is Two-patch Spinny...

A friend of yours JW?
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Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Dlennard] #213191
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Originally Posted by Dlennard
You even say" you don't see why once professionally repaired it wouldn't hold up for many more years" that means you have doubt about how long it will last.

I'm not a native speaker so maybe I wasn't being clear enough.
A proper repair job could make it stronger then it ever was before.

According to my math the boat is one year old: 2010-2009=1.
I guess this means we are not talking about a new boat here but a used one.

Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Tony_F18] #213197
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The hulls will be send to Hobie factory now. So the boat probably will not be ready for sailing for weeks or so - no matter what they do with the hulls.

Anyway, I don't want to pick too much on Hobie. The boat is a awesome speed machine and we unfortunately had one of the "Beta-Boats". (has a low double digit sailnumber)

Bye, Uli

Re: Wildcat hull problems? [Re: Lockenfisch] #220626
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End of season is very close here now so lets finish this story too. Somebody who is often at that Hobie shop recently told me that the boat will get both hulls new.

SRY thats only third party info but I'm on the nacra side of the force *g*

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