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Re: uni vs 2 up. should their rating really be the same? [Re: Cab] #227032
01/18/11 06:59 PM
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WE have found there to be no overal difference in performance results between the two different configurations, the only difference has been in the quality of the sailers. I think that this will once again be shown to be correct at the up coming Australian nationals in a few days time
Darryl J Barrett.

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Re: uni vs 2 up. should their rating really be the same? [Re: Darryl_Barrett] #227045
01/19/11 08:04 AM
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Folks I'm begining to have second thoughts. I'm not willing to try and change the rating or the equipment but maybe we should recognize the top uni with a trophy.

Comments?


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Re: uni vs 2 up. should their rating really be the same? [Re: waynemarlow] #227048
01/19/11 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by waynemarlow
Equal handicap but the Uni's should be able to run a small jib as well to compensate for the lack of 4 hands. cool


Absolutely, the ratings need to be the same. This is a class foundation. However, the sail configuration needs to handicap single and double handed accurately.

I race primarily uni but have done a couple with inexperienced crew. The jib effect is valid. Much more power and greater righting moment in tandem with the newer hull designs more than offset the additional crew weight.

I am opposed to structural design modifications to optimize uni configuration; ie. smaller hulls because the boat will loose its 1 or 2 up flexibility which is a differentiating quality of the class that also must be preserved. That leaves us with sail development.

I agree with Wayne that simply dropping the jib may not be a valid equalizer either. It may have been with the early generation hulls. Whatever the case, not enough racing/development has been done with top racers using a uni-cut main to justify even exploring adding a small jib with reduced main.

Ironically, I believe the manufacturers would sell more boats and sails if sail development (and rules if needed) allow unis to be more competitive at the regional/national/world events.


Kris Hathaway
Re: uni vs 2 up. should their rating really be the same? [Re: pgp] #227050
01/19/11 09:25 AM
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Sebring, Florida.
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I'm happy with the Rum award.

;^)

If you really want to spend money on trophys, you could go 3 deep in both Sloop and Uni, and 3 deep overall as well, the first 3 boats overall would get two trophys, one for First place overall, and one for which ever configuration he was.

OR...race and score all as one fleet and then give out 6 total trophys, 3 deep for Sloop and uni.

But like I said above, as a Uni guy, I'm happier with the rum, paid for by the other Uni racers!

If we ever got say, 60 boats, 30 of each configuration, to show up at a big event (Nationals or Worlds) then perhaps separate starts/awards for Sloops and Uni's, but we are a long way from that.


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Re: Trophies [Re: Timbo] #227056
01/19/11 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
But like I said above, as a Uni guy, I'm happier with the rum, paid for by the other Uni racers!

+1...and probably the most appropriate solution for "Uni" trophy, though we have some non-rum (whiskey or dry) uni racers. Of course, last year I was given a manikin's arm as a "single handed" trophy. Still in Ed's garage if it hasn't sold yet.


Kris Hathaway
Re: Trophies [Re: Kris Hathaway] #227060
01/19/11 01:16 PM
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Nice!

Now, if only the arm were holding a 12yr. old bottle of Bushmills!


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Re: uni vs 2 up. should their rating really be the same? [Re: pgp] #227064
01/19/11 03:29 PM
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Quote

I'm not willing to try and change the rating or the equipment but maybe we should recognize the top uni with a trophy.


I'm all for it !


Wouter Hijink
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Re: uni vs 2 up. should their rating really be the same? [Re: Wouter] #227080
01/19/11 05:11 PM
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Alcohol only dulls the senses, it doesn't solve the problem. Certainly interested in how Daryll gets on and whether his views remain the same over the next year.

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