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#247934 05/08/12 09:30 AM 05/08/12 09:30 AM | MN3
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#247935 05/08/12 09:30 AM 05/08/12 09:30 AM | MarkMT
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#247945 05/08/12 01:03 PM 05/08/12 01:03 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | 22 minute video? Jeeze, that's like taping the entire race that day!
Jay
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#247951 05/08/12 01:41 PM 05/08/12 01:41 PM |
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Posts: 71 South Florida | I wish i had video from that day but the suction cup for my GoPro 2.0 didnt suck enough and was lost somewhere around cuter bank.
After all, its not easy, banging your head against some mad buggers wall.
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#247959 05/08/12 02:47 PM 05/08/12 02:47 PM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Holy hell. That looked like a wild ride on both videos
I'm boatless.
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#247960 05/08/12 02:54 PM 05/08/12 02:54 PM |
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Posts: 71 South Florida | It was a wild ride for anybody who was brave enough to race, on any boat.
After all, its not easy, banging your head against some mad buggers wall.
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#247961 05/08/12 03:11 PM 05/08/12 03:11 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I still have greater respect for those who chose to stay on the beach rather than test the abilities of the coast guard/ marine patrol resources.
Discretion is the better part of valor
Jay
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#247967 05/08/12 04:58 PM 05/08/12 04:58 PM |
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Discretion is the better part of valor
It's also the fertilizer for pansies and boredom. Be interesting to see if the girl in the vid wishes she had stayed on the beach.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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#247968 05/08/12 04:59 PM 05/08/12 04:59 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Jay and Jared Sonnenklar. Real fast.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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#247969 05/08/12 05:15 PM 05/08/12 05:15 PM |
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why don't they just screen the video without audio?
anyone know if a version is posted on vimeo or somewhere without the offending audio?
eric e 1982 nacra 5.2 - 2158 2009 weta tri - 294
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#247975 05/08/12 07:02 PM 05/08/12 07:02 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | So, Is anyone interested in discussing how that team could do things better? There are quite a few points that would come up. What they did right: they were wearing good wetsuits and their boat looked to be fairly well rigged. Things that need improvement for sailing in a breeze:..... well...they made it through - so job well done. The crew didn't seem prepared that the boat could drift away faster than one can swim. this knowledge alone would have probably convinced them to hang onto that sheet they just got untangled with until they make solid contact with the hull. (untested) I still thinking keeping a water born drag chute (typically used by fisherman and sometimes called a drift sock) on the boat is a good idea to clip on the forestay bridle and toss into the water to slow/stop the progress of the boat while capsized (and help keep it head to wind). It could have made the difference and allowed the crew to swim back to the boat and lead to a calm righting process (and given time to flip the tiller bar back over the rudders ... that sucks when that happens). A little, loose, bunji tied from the rear beam to each rudder arm will keep them from flipping completely over the rudders leading to a real steering nightmare as seen in the video (which wasn't as bad as it could be because the skipper knew what to do there...but imagine if the boat had just been righted and the arms were crossed like that...been there, done that...it steers for crap when one arm is flipped forward and the other flipped back because the rudders turning opposite of each other and if you are in the water dragging under the boat, you're not fixing that).
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#247990 05/09/12 07:49 AM 05/09/12 07:49 AM |
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Posts: 330 | well...they made it through - so job well done. Wow, that H16 vid represents a first rate example of what NOT to do. IMO, they were very lucky that there was a rescue boat nearby that was able to find the crew and get them back together. They should not have been out there. It was clear right from the beginning of the vid that the crew was not comfortable/experienced in those conditions. After the initial pitchpole, the crew was fumbling around on the sail, just waiting to get stuck if the boat turned turtle. It also seemed like the skipper was probably not prepared for the boat to take off after he righted it and climbed abord - he should have made sure that the boat was turned head to wind, that the rudders were locked down, and that the sheets were free before righting. He also should have made it very clear to the crew to grab the dolphin striker and not let go when the boat popped up. Maybe he wasn't expecting the boat to come up so quickly. Once the skipper takes off on his own he is totally out of control because the tiller arms are flipped the wrong way. Once he corrects that and gybes back to the crew, his jib gets wrapped and then he's totally screwed because the jib is uncontrollable at that point, so he can't go upwind & can't tack. The only thing he can do is beam reach, gybe, and pitchpole. After the second pitchpole, he should have realized that it was absolutely necessary to un-wrap the jib before righting the boat. But it definitely looked like he was in panic mode after his crew separated. Had he cleared the jib, he would have been able to, at the very least, turn the boat upwind, go hove-to, and get himself collected. Instead, what he does is continue to keep trying to sail the boat, pitchpole several more times, tire himself out, and continue to sail farther away from his crew. When the downhaul and gooseneck come apart, it's all over. Sailing upwind would have been totally impossible. I would not say they made it through. They were rescued and they were just plain lucky. sm | | | Re: Cool Video of H16 in Miami-Key Largo Race
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