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Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design #251085
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Bert Rice's Viper sailed by Michael Rice and Luke Yates

Latest Spinnaker Design by Schurr Sails.

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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Mike97] #251093
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I like the look of that mainsail, is the spinnaker flatter than the Goodall?


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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Mike97] #251096
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The Spin has the same camber up high but a good bit more down low for more drive and control. We've been out 4 times this past week and it pulls like a freight train. Michael observed a bunch more leeward helm downwind which indicates may indicate more relative power up forward...
I'm finalizing a new main design which mirrors the A-cats a little more than this first draft.

Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Timbo] #251234
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Looks great, it looks as though it might be pushing the mid-girth rule though? I doubt anyone would build one that wouldn't fit into the rule set though.. soooooo
SIGN ME UP. plot one and send it to me to put together smile

Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Mike97] #251263
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Pat, I reduced the zones from 3 to 2 and already double-checked the mid-girth and overall size. I can print once I know what color you want smile
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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Mike97] #251396
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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Mike97] #251409
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Originally Posted by Mike97


What speed advantages does this cut offer over the current kites on the market?


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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: David Ingram] #251440
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interesting the driver's trapped out and the sheet hand isn't


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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: David Ingram] #251442
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Originally Posted by David Ingram
Originally Posted by Mike97


What speed advantages does this cut offer over the current kites on the market?


Well Duhhh...it's BLACK! You KNOW that's got to be faster!


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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Timbo] #251443
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I'm still waiting for Mythbusters to test that "once you go black.." thing.


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The crew was very green and the wind and waves were a little rough so I took the liberty of sticking myself out there.

Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: waterbug_wpb] #251455
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
I'm still waiting for Mythbusters to test that "once you go black.." thing.


Forget about waiting for Mythbusters, just ask JC!

;^)


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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Mike97] #251456
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People on this site have talked a lot about how the mainsail should be cut different depending on whether you are sailing 1-up or 2. I'm wondering... Should the Spin also be cut differently?


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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: daniel_t] #251460
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Originally Posted by daniel_t
People on this site have talked a lot about how the mainsail should be cut different depending on whether you are sailing 1-up or 2. I'm wondering... Should the Spin also be cut differently?

For one up the mainsail should be a flatter cut, as for the spin, not necessarily, however if your sailing in more windier conditions, then having a flatter spin may be something to consider.

Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: David Ingram] #251462
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Dave,
We haven't gone up against Taylor but the spin seems really fast. The leading edge has a finer entry. You have to trim it a little past "taking the curl out". The exhaust is pretty clean 1/2 way up the trailing edge. There's alot of camber down low for power while keeping control...
- Bert Jr


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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Junior] #251463
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Thank you Bert, that's the kind of feedback I was looking for. Do have some two boat testing planned?


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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: David Ingram] #251510
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Nothing organized has been planned. We've been sailing a good bit. Minor changes are being incorporated for Kirk's Nacra Carbon 20- it's wider beam and more powerful platform. will post vids once made...I can iterate a design with you if you want- I enjoy the process.

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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Mike97] #251523
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How wide? 12'?


I'm boatless.
Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Karl_Brogger] #251543
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
How wide? 12'?

10 1/2 ft.

Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: Junior] #251568
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Originally Posted by Junior
I can iterate a design with you if you want- I enjoy the process.


Please.


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Re: Schurr Sails F16 Spinnaker Latest Design [Re: David Ingram] #251578
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What's your e-mail and phone? I'll work one up per the F-18 rules and we can chat.


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Any word on schurrs development for the F16 and F18? It would be great to add another sailmaker to the table!


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