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Re: C class worlds [Re: waterbug_wpb] #264830
09/24/13 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by Timbo
Thanks for the info, now I've got to get a powerball ticket!


... and start doing some serious pilates & core training


.....and a RIB so you can pick up the pieces.


Have Fun
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Re: C class worlds [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #264835
09/24/13 10:37 AM
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Flying Phantom has soft sails, and is basically a widened carbon-fiber F18 with foils. The crashes won't be that bad. Watch the interview with the designers above, Martin Fischer claims he was out doing 27 kts in 12 kts of breeze on his first day out on the Flying Phantom-the control scheme is highly refined.


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Re: C class worlds [Re: samc99us] #264840
09/24/13 11:21 AM
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yeah, but Timbo will take it out in 25 knots of breeze...


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Re: C class worlds [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #264843
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In an interview yesterday, the designer said that they are estimating a 25,000 euro price.

$33,700


Re: C class worlds [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #264845
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That's about what the carbon 20 is correct?

Re: C class worlds [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #264846
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Yes - about that.

Re: C class worlds [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #264847
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That's beyond my current unsponsored toy budget, but certainly within the realm of probability, nigh similar price to the F20c, and I know I'd rather have the full flying boat. Heck a new Nacra Olympic 17 is 19K Euro or $26K USD now. New F18 is in the 22-25K USD range dependent on model. What's another $10K in the grand scheme of things?

Honestly, given the extreme complexity discussed in the C-Class designer happy hour in building these foils, you can see why the cost is what it is. Look at the cost of existing foils-$1300 for a single high aspect ratio straight board. New c-boards for the F20c is supposedly in the $2K realm PER BOARD. I suspect an L-foil will be near $5K/board to build. Hopefully cheaper in mass, but the Hydros boys are using titanium on the junction, and lots of R&D on the Groupama and Canadian boats to get it done in carbon.

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Re: C class worlds [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #264848
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All of the above are way cooler than a Melges 20.

Used boats with trailer and spares $30-50,000.

But they greatly out number (sell) us.

Re: C class worlds [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #264976
09/24/13 06:28 PM
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C class highlight reel from Clarksail.



"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

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If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most.
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Re: C class worlds [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #264978
09/24/13 06:51 PM
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dear god. I recommend hitting "mute" before playing that video. That's an atrocious soundtrack.


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Re: C class worlds [Re: Jake] #264979
09/24/13 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake
dear god. I recommend hitting "mute" before playing that video. That's an atrocious soundtrack.


No kidding, I'm not sure what he was thinking. Thought maybe it was just me.


"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea
Isak Dinesen
If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most.
E. B. White
Re: C class worlds [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #265009
09/25/13 07:22 AM
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High speed and foiling dramas aren't confined to San Francisco. The International C-Class Catamaran Championship has been producing some hairy moments as well and, yesterday, a remarkable rescue.

The International C-Class is an antecedent of the big wingmasted America's Cup cats, and like the AC72s have foils and wingmasts (indeed the championships have always been known as the Little America's Cup). Unsurprisingly, then, they have been attracting some top multihull sailors who have not found a place at the Cup, including French maestro Franck Cammas.

Yesterday, Cammas produced a demonstration of skills well beyond the normal scope of inshore racing when he rescued his crewman from the water and went on to finish 2nd. Picture this:

Cammas, who had won all four races of the regatta, was reportedly hitting 22 knots in 8 knots true on the final run of race five, when his crewmember Louis Viat's trapeze wire broke and Viat fell overboard.

As Viat went over, the trampoline broke and the mainsheet paid out, wrapping around his leg and towing him behind. He was injured before the sheet eventually parted.

With his crew and wingsail control sheet gone, Cammas immediately took stock and grabbed the wing of his boat Groupama C to operate it and allow him to turn back to rescue Viat.

"I could only play the wing sail by hand, like a windsurfer," Cammas explained.


Cammas managed get back to his crewman, pick him up and the pair continued racing to to finish 2nd out of five boats, despite having no trapeze wire, wing sheet or intact trampoline.

Beat that for skill and sang froid.
Foiling drama in the little america's cup.

Re: C class worlds [Re: Tony_F18] #265039
09/25/13 09:23 AM
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Any war stories from Steve Clark yet?

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