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Proposed IWCA rule changes #263064
09/01/13 08:59 AM
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1) Minimum crew weight of 120lbs.

2) Allow a line & cleat to tension the rig downwind.

3) While racing, both rudders must remain down.


Comments:

1) I think this keeps in line with the Hobie Class.
2) Very common on uni rigs cats to keep the rig from bouncing around downwind and between races.
3) EZ-Lock rudder system ( new system ) is much harder to steer with one rudder up and I believe unsafe at time. Keeping the rudders down eliminates the disparity between systems and keeps it simple. Part of this has already been addressed with the tiller extension.


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Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: Tom Whitehurst] #263115
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Originally Posted by Tom Whitehurst

1) Minimum crew weight of 120lbs.

2) Allow a line & cleat to tension the rig downwind.

3) While racing, both rudders must remain down.


Comments:

1) I think this keeps in line with the Hobie Class.
2) Very common on uni rigs cats to keep the rig from bouncing around downwind and between races.
3) EZ-Lock rudder system ( new system ) is much harder to steer with one rudder up and I believe unsafe at time. Keeping the rudders down eliminates the disparity between systems and keeps it simple. Part of this has already been addressed with the tiller extension.



Tom, I think each of these should be a separate issue, with perhaps a short missive on the reasoning behind it.

I agree with all of these.


Jack Woehrle
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Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: Tom Whitehurst] #263117
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Crew weight might be too light, if its blowing, anyone under 120 isn't gonna be able to handle the boat anyway. (140 min weight) so NO

Rig tension is a good idea..... YES

Rudder up or down, I have seen people go from the EZ lock on a newer boat and put the other pintles on their boat so they can use the old style rudders for this very reason. Probably doesnt make much difference, but I would say (NO) to the rudder issue.

Just my unsolicited thought.....

Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: Tom Whitehurst] #263167
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Willing to reconsider following discussion, but these are my initial thoughts:

No (should be more)

Yes

No (at least add language to be able to raise a rudder momentarily to clear weeds, anchor lines, etc.)

Mike

Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: ] #263225
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Chris,
We have to start somewhere and since HCA already adopted the 120 lbs its a starting point. To vote NO on the min weight does nothing to correct anything? At this point, we should also keep in line with the Hobie Class if possible.

Thanks for the input regardless. I encourage everyone that wants to race these

Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: brucat] #263227
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ON the rudders. Yes language will be added to allow to clear debris.

I have an 06 and changed to the older style system but the main point is having to re due anything on the boat to correct differences. Keeping the rudders down eliminates the differences. Allowing to clear will be added.

Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: Tom Whitehurst] #263232
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Its easy enough to jackup the weight min. with HCA, just gotta get Mimi on board (and probaly gotta make her eat a few sandwhiches to get over 140.....)

Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: ] #263244
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Originally Posted by xanderwess
Its easy enough to jackup the weight min. with HCA, just gotta get Mimi on board (and probaly gotta make her eat a few sandwhiches to get over 140.....)


I think it should be written so as to follow what the HCA number is.

Right now that number is 120#

If you can get HCA to move the number, then the IWCA should follow.

I think Tom will rewrite it in that context.

Keep in mind that this is an IWCA issue and you need to be a current IWCA member to vote. The vote will be at the annual meeting at the Nationals. Proxies are permitted.


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Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: Tom Whitehurst] #266685
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These rules have been revised for clarity as follows:

1) Rudders: While racing, rudders will remain down but can be lifted or canted to clear an obstruction and or debris. Lifting and locking one rudder up out of the water for extended periods is prohibited.

2) Rig: A line attached to the bridle wire and cleat w/fairlead mounted on the front cross bar is allowed to tension the rig.

3)Crew Weight: Minimum crew weight is adopted as set by HCA.

If you have comments please forward or if you like a proxy to vote on these items please email.

Plans are to put to a vote @ the IWCA annual meeting on Dec 5.

Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: Tom Whitehurst] #266694
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I am for any rule that brings as many sailors to the race with an equal chance. I think the minimum crew weight does not do that,it takes away the advantage in light air for lighter sailors. The heavy sailors have an advantage when the wind gets up and that seems fair to me.

Re: Proposed IWCA rule changes [Re: Tom Whitehurst] #266739
11/06/13 11:50 AM
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FYI: I spoke with a respected person in the HCA regarding the Wave min. weight (I prefer not to name his name only to keep him out of a debate he probably doesnt want to be in)
but trust me on the respect part, and this is what he had to say:

Interesting question. Iím sure there was a similar issue with the H14 back in the day as to how to keep the bigger guys sailing the boat without giving the lighter sailors an advantage. I almost think 150 would be too light, more like 165 or 170 would be a more realistic average weight nowadays.

For the kids Iím leaning toward the position that there shouldnít be a minimum weight. Typically a bigger kid will be older and should have more sailing experience so being heavy will counter the experience of a younger lighter beginner sailor. I also think that for a kid to have to add weight to their boat takes some of the fun out experience.

These are just some initial thoughts on the topic without putting too much time into it and Iím sure my position could be swayed with a convincing argument.

Interesting point of view, but I agree with the thought that the min. weight should be much higher than it is now.




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I agree on the kids not having a weight minimum and I got the weight covered believe me. I can see the light weight sailor side of the issue.
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