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#269112 02/06/14 12:33 PM 02/06/14 12:33 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | HA... What was old.... tried and true.... ie the hobie 16 style raised tramp.... Now used on a New A cat design at Worlds A cat / Hobie 16 style http://www.flickr.com/photos/8354518@N06/12337863685/in/photostream/
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#269113 02/06/14 12:42 PM 02/06/14 12:42 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | HA... What was old.... tried and true.... ie the hobie 16 style raised tramp.... Now used on a New A cat design at Worlds A cat / Hobie 16 style http://www.flickr.com/photos/8354518@N06/12337863685/in/photostream/ That boat has been around for awhile.
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#269122 02/06/14 03:26 PM 02/06/14 03:26 PM |
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Posts: 2,584 +31NL | Is this legal? [ ] maybe yes [x] maybe no | | | Re: 'A' Class Worlds in NZ
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#269125 02/06/14 04:42 PM 02/06/14 04:42 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I think the A-class requires that the daggerboards be inserted from the top of the deck in an effort to limit the complexity of the daggerboard shape. This is as opposed to having to insert an L-shaped foil from under the boat. I suppose that giant cassette technically meets the wording but probably not the spirit! Interesting work around, though.
(boy, these guys are hacking up some expensive boats!)
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#269134 02/06/14 09:42 PM 02/06/14 09:42 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Not sure how I feel about this. Yes, it's a development class, but there are rules to keep the competition somewhat fair, right?
Not being a development class guy, it's hard to pick a side...
Mike I guess it boils down to the intent of the rule...My perception is that it was designed to prohibit L-shaped foils and was really an attempt to keep the boats from full on foiling. The guys have figured out how to start tinkering with the foiling thing anyway in spite of the rule...but it's still not easy. At the time, I thought it was a creative way to make a simple rule to limit those foils. However, in hindsight, it might have been smarter to define the limits of the foil in geometric terms. I can see that a fully foiling A-class, class, is probably in our near future.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: 'A' Class Worlds in NZ
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#269141 02/07/14 08:20 AM 02/07/14 08:20 AM |
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Posts: 774 Greenville SC | The Exploder with the large moveable cassettes has been given a measurement certificate and is good to race in the worlds, however the technical committee is contemplating whether the cassette is part of the hull or a hull appendage. So things could change.
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#269142 02/07/14 08:28 AM 02/07/14 08:28 AM |
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | My interpretation from reading others is that Landy really did this as an experiment, so we can all see if the L-foils are faster than the C's and J's. Plenty of discussion on SA, the cassettes are a few kg weight penalty. He also purposely wanted to push the rules, to see if the technical committee would ban them...
I don't think these are going to be faster round the track, you have to lift the weather board ala Hydros and Groupama. I haven't seen any other photos of the boat to know if there is a trick board upfucker setup to make that efficient.
All I really know is this is going to be exciting to watch! Krantz you're on-site???
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#269143 02/07/14 09:39 AM 02/07/14 09:39 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | All I really know is this is going to be exciting to watch! Krantz you're on-site???
He's racing. shipped his boat a couple of months ago.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: 'A' Class Worlds in NZ
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#269150 02/07/14 12:38 PM 02/07/14 12:38 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I thought the C Class guys had given up on foiling being faster upwind, on a standard windward/leeward course, a long time ago? Too much leeway or something? I know they are still doing it, but did they also change their course away from the traditional course?
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#269154 02/07/14 01:15 PM 02/07/14 01:15 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | All I really know is this is going to be exciting to watch! Krantz you're on-site???
He's racing. shipped his boat a couple of months ago. From Mike on SA 2/5/14: I'm seriously looking forward to this event. Flight out of Atlanta this pm, arriving in Auckland on Fri am, and should be on the water that afternoon...
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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#269157 02/07/14 01:40 PM 02/07/14 01:40 PM |
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Posts: 712 | Landed yesterday morning. Plan was to set up the boat, get measured, and possibly go sailing. However, it was raining, blowing 30, and jet lag was kicking my a$$. So I checked in with the rest of Team USA, grabbed a bite, and called it a day.
Today, the sun is out, the forecast is for 10-15, and I hope to walk through measurement and go sailing this afternoon.
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#269160 02/07/14 01:48 PM 02/07/14 01:48 PM |
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | I thought the C Class guys had given up on foiling being faster upwind, on a standard windward/leeward course, a long time ago? Too much leeway or something? I know they are still doing it, but did they also change their course away from the traditional course? Timbo, time to catch up to the latest event. Plenty of live coverage and interviews. Not going to spoon feed you, check out Groupama C. Mike, have an awesome time, clearly having an epic year of sailing
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