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#276123 11/06/14 10:34 AM 11/06/14 10:34 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | As a Dutchman, I live in a small country which is political governed by atleast 10 miserable and irritant political parties.
Which might actually be interesting to learn about as well, in sort of a geopolitical compare/contrast way. I would venture a guess that there are many common themes in the larger spectrum (health/wellbeing, security, money, sex, power...) which might provide some different solutions...?
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#276124 11/06/14 10:47 AM 11/06/14 10:47 AM | MN3
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#276125 11/06/14 11:04 AM 11/06/14 11:04 AM |
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Ronald
"Philip, but then you end up with a deadly dull, pure technical, open forum."
Well lets see.... the issues facing the sport are.. What to do about the decline in young people sailing cats for recreation.
Should the rank and file sailor make more effort in recruiting racing sailors from your clubs pool of c420 sailors.
What should be an elite high performance program for top juniors in standard Yacht Clubs.
Does the nacra 15 work. If ISAF Youth Worlds were in the US... what would happen to 20 Nacra 15s to be sold here. What about in Scandanavia or Great Britan.
Do we need safety standards for distance racing for non catamaran OA's to run our races.
Is handicap racing a way to get critical mass at regional regattas.
How will the progress in flying boats play out for the sport... do we grow... or do we shrink yet again?
National Sailing Federations are charged with running the international competitions... (Olympics... ISAF youth worlds etc) Does that money grow the sport that we engage in.
What is the value of non class championships (alter cup) to sailors and the sport.
So... that is not a set of technical issues. They require consenus forming and buy in from the rank and file.
Where have clubs taken sailors who start on a Hobie wave or getaway moved up in performance to at least a Hobie 16 or faster? How did that happen... can we bottle that magic.
How do we get more racers... not just sailors.
How do we get dinghy sailors to play with multi's.
etc etc etc
The one thing about sailing.... is that you don't need anyone else to put your sail up... and sail away...
The questions I posed speak to the community issues in sailing. Something IS ADDED when you organize into clubs, fleets and races. That is what this forum is about. Anything that detracts from the community aspect of sailing... should be pruned.
I agree with P.M..... move the crap to it's own forum.... Vent your opinions in the proper place... the open forum works for sailing politics...AND the technical issues like... best way to seal my mast..
YMMV
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#276126 11/06/14 11:18 AM 11/06/14 11:18 AM |
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Posts: 524 Petten Netherlands | As a Dutchman, I live in a small country which is political governed by atleast 10 miserable and irritant political parties.
Which might actually be interesting to learn about as well, in sort of a geopolitical compare/contrast way. I would venture a guess that there are many common themes in the larger spectrum (health/wellbeing, security, money, sex, power...) which might provide some different solutions...? I would advice you to not learn anything from us. Not only in my small country it's a mess at this moment because of an impossible co-operation between the two major left and rightwing parties. It's a mess in whole Europe at this moment and it's all worsening by the financial crisis. And the renewed "coldwar" with Russia. In Europe countries have been fighting against each other in the last 20 centuries with many wars. And now the governments have chosen to use one monetary unit: the euro. The big argument was that from now on there would't be any wars anymore in Europe. Well there aren't now but it's all going down and at one moment this europe union will explode. You in the 52 states have united yourselves (with big problems between the Southern and the Northern). We are still far from that. And I think it will turn out to be impossible, because we have too different cultures here on this side of the ocean.
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#276138 11/06/14 08:52 PM 11/06/14 08:52 PM |
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Posts: 2,844 42.904444 N; 88.008586 W | Last time I looked, this is Rick Whites Forum. We've asked him for a political forum- that's his decision.
But I gotta tell ya,- How Hilarious! Have you read the things ya'll are saying?
Now we have non Americans- upset about and discussing USA politics- huh?
Have you read my firsst few posts that started this thread? Have you?
'Crawl back in your hole?' oh yea, real grown up there
Who is the one that needs to get a life?
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#276141 11/07/14 03:16 AM 11/07/14 03:16 AM |
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Now we have non Americans- upset about and discussing USA politics- huh?
huh? huh? Are you discriminating me??????? Since when plays the fact that I'm non-american a part on this forum? Look, I thought that the basic starting-point for a forum is freedom of speech for everyone. With the rule to show respect to each other. (This last is now and then violated in the heat of the discussion, even in this topic). But anyway, this freedom of speech means in this forum freedom of placing posts and freedom of opening topics. With one exception: spam. And yes, its a catsailor forum, subjects are primary connected to catsailing. But when for instance this forum started to discuss extensively the change in healthcare cost legislation, I heard nobody complain, nor the word "crap". Or discussions about airplane-accidents, etc,etc. The outcome of a US election which shifts the political balance is news from the same caliber. nothing more, nothing less. I would be very surprised if it was not mentioned in a topic here.
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#276145 11/07/14 08:39 AM 11/07/14 08:39 AM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | What's happening to the liberal agenda?
Even Illinois? A Repo Governor? Who'd a thought? The liberal agenda is being held up by the republican party in many areas now Todd. You just don't understand that they are out to screw you, no matter what party you align yourself with. It's a corrupt and broken system, I promise, a few states changing colors will not change that.
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#276146 11/07/14 09:51 AM 11/07/14 09:51 AM |
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Until we get rid of career politicians, lobbyist, and corruption, we will have the same problems no matter who is in office. When Obama was elected the country spoke. When this election happened the country spoke. It was screwed up with the republican party, its screwed up with the democratic party. Not that the Tea party will fix it either, we need a clean sweep of all the politicians with people who really represent Americans and American interest, not just their own pockets and their "lifetime benefits". Say what you want but our political system is broken no matter who is in office.
The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27
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#276148 11/07/14 12:06 PM 11/07/14 12:06 PM |
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Posts: 3,969 | Yup, must be fall/winter. Same thing, different year. At least they're not attacking US Sailing or other cats this time. Mark raises some good points, all of which we've been discussing with US Sailing under the Multihull Racing Committee. If anyone here is interested in doing something more constructive with their off-season time, we'd love to have your help. Mike | | | Re: What a GREAT Day for election results!
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#276149 11/07/14 01:56 PM 11/07/14 01:56 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | same circus, different monkeys....
Until we get rid of career politicians, lobbyist, and corruption, we will have the same problems no matter who is in office. When Obama was elected the country spoke. When this election happened the country spoke. It was screwed up with the republican party, its screwed up with the democratic party. Not that the Tea party will fix it either, we need a clean sweep of all the politicians with people who really represent Americans and American interest, not just their own pockets and their "lifetime benefits". Say what you want but our political system is broken no matter who is in office. Yup. Throw them all out! And don't "RE" elect anybody! Check out P.J. O'Rourke's books on politics, in particular his "Parliament of Whores" and "Don't vote, it just encourages the bastards!" From Parliament of Whores: Authority has always attracted the lowest elements in the human race. All through history mankind has been bullied by scum. Those who lord it over their fellows and toss commands in every direction and would boss the grass in the meadow about which way to bend in the wind are the most depraved kind of prostitutes. They will submit to any indignity, perform any vile act, do anything to achieve power. The worst off-sloughings of the planet are the ingredients of sovereignty. Every government is a Parliament of Whores. The trouble is, in a democracy the whores are us. —Parliament of Whores http://www.pjorourke.com/ Funny stuff but dead on accurate.
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#276150 11/07/14 03:34 PM 11/07/14 03:34 PM |
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Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | Last time I looked, this is Rick Whites Forum. We've asked him for a political forum- that's his decision.
But I gotta tell ya,- How Hilarious! Have you read the things ya'll are saying?
Now we have non Americans- upset about and discussing USA politics- huh?
Have you read my firsst few posts that started this thread? Have you?
'Crawl back in your hole?' oh yea, real grown up there
Who is the one that needs to get a life? Grow up?? Have you read some of your's and your buddy's past post's. You two should get a room and get it over with. Why don't you two exchange e-mail addresses so you can pummel each other in private? Aren't there enough places out there to have these talks? Why don't you two start your own website and talk politics all day. Let us know how it goes. Do you really think either one of you are going to change each others minds or anyone else's? The pendulum has swung the other way. It will swing back so temper your joy until something real actually happens. Grow up, LOL, Why don't you "WISE" up.
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#276154 11/07/14 06:24 PM 11/07/14 06:24 PM |
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Now we have non Americans- upset about and discussing USA politics- huh?
huh? huh? Are you discriminating me??????? Since when plays the fact that I'm non-american a part on this forum? Look, I thought that the basic starting-point for a forum is freedom of speech for everyone. With the rule to show respect to each other. (This last is now and then violated in the heat of the discussion, even in this topic). But anyway, this freedom of speech means in this forum freedom of placing posts and freedom of opening topics. With one exception: spam. And yes, its a catsailor forum, subjects are primary connected to catsailing. But when for instance this forum started to discuss extensively the change in healthcare cost legislation, I heard nobody complain, nor the word "crap". Or discussions about airplane-accidents, etc,etc. The outcome of a US election which shifts the political balance is news from the same caliber. nothing more, nothing less. I would be very surprised if it was not mentioned in a topic here. No sir, and I wasn't referring to you. You have every right- my apologies. NorthSea Junkie- when I read your posts, look at your videos, etc. What comes to mind regarding you, is I want to repeatedly bow down, and keep repeating 'I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy,...
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#276156 11/08/14 04:10 AM 11/08/14 04:10 AM |
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Posts: 524 Petten Netherlands | Thanks, apology accepted, no need to bow at all.
You sound a bit damaged and emotional. That's fully understandable after this full load of sh.t which some members ment to dump over you. They must have reasons for that in their perception; which I definitly don't want to know. I found these utterances crossbordering and really not suitable for repetition.
Like I stated before: a forum can only prosper if there is freedom of speech combined with respect between the members.(A bit like in a normal civilized society).
But in defense for everybody; this is on a catsailor forum maybe a hard principle. Catsailing, in its core, is not so much a sport of controlled nuances. I mean: you tack or don't, you jibe or you don't, you capsize or not. When I sail at see, I take every second a decision: do I take this wave yes or no, do I steer upwind or downwind, yes or no, etc.
Eventually your mind can be influenced by this yes/no surrounding with the risk of ending up with a short fuse. Combine that with the large ego that sailors in general have and you see the reason for trouble.
I know, this is pure psychology from the cold ground (like we say in dutch). Shoot me.
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#276161 11/08/14 06:02 PM 11/08/14 06:02 PM |
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Posts: 5,582 “an island in the Pacifi... | You've shown us that you're quite the political prognosticator (no, not proctologist) Todd. As the 2016 elections are closing in can you rank the following potential candidates?
Jeb Bush Dr. Ben Carson Chris Christie Ted Cruz Joni Ernst Louie Gohmert Trey Gowdy John Huntsman Jr. Bobby Jindal Peter King Steve King Sarah Palin Rand Paul David Perdue Rick Perry Mitt Romney Marco Rubio Paul Ryan Rick Santorum Jeff Sessions Donald Trump Scott Walker Allen West
Please insert any of your favorites I may have missed.
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#276187 11/10/14 10:20 AM 11/10/14 10:20 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | You are correct Ronald. I would only add that freedom of speech should not mean absence of discretion. Criticize ideas, not people
And if we throw out all the career politicians, who the heck will run for government office?
You have to appreciate a political snake in the grass for what he/she is: an effective tool to advance your agenda.
What seems to make people upset is they don't have the means/ability to get that snake to work for THEM...
I suspect if we upset big business (who likely control the snakes anyway) enough then they'll move elsewhere?
But yes, it's more interesting to follow sailing and work on all those issues...
Jay
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#276350 11/20/14 08:31 PM 11/20/14 08:31 PM |
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