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Re: Lighter mast makes the Tornado safer! [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #34774
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I don't interpret those posts as very supportive of the carbon mast - both of them point out conflicts in the new rule and Booth points out how this rule seems to contradict the nature of the class.


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Re: Lighter mast makes the Tornado safer! [Re: Jake] #34775
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Jake: I'm reading their statements as supportive of the carbon mast, but they are obviously concerned about the direction of the T-class.
I might be totally wrong of course, but as english is not my native language, I have an excuse ready

Good thing that Steve had the postings at hand tough!


Re: Lighter mast makes the Tornado safer! [Re: Jake] #34776
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Booth: "The point I am trying to make is if the class wants to go towards the commercially available and same equipment for all sailors then we have to scrap the owner builder rule and change the class to a "manufacturer supplied only" rule just like Hobie or Nacra. Personally I think this would damage the future of the class and it would lose its edge as the leading beach cat."

My interpretation is that while they didn't exactly come out and say "We don't like it", Booth is illuding that the class seems to be migrating to a single manufacturer one-design (like I've been saying) and getting away from the multi-manufacturer one-design that the Tornado class has always been. He feels that this is bad for the class. Having only one supplier of the carbon masts is clearly a move toward a single manufacturer one-design.

Bundy, on the other hand, seems slightly less opposed to the decision and while he agrees with Booth's multi manufacturer one-design ideas, he doesn't think the carbon fiber mast decision will be damaging to the class. Actually, neither seem to be against the carbon fiber mast but rather the idea that they are legally only available from Marstrom.


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Re: Lighter mast makes the Tornado safer! [Re: Jake] #34777
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Actually, neither seem to be against the carbon fiber mast but rather the idea that they are legally only available from Marstrom.


Well, this restriction is supposed to be for 2 years only...then other manufacturers are permitted, assuming they can get certified and pay a royalty to Marstrom. I guess it will come down to...can anyone else build a better/cheaper mast than Marstrom and make enough profit to commit to it.



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Re: Lighter mast makes the Tornado safer! [Re: Tornado] #34778
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I guess it will come down to...can anyone else build a better/cheaper mast than Marstrom and make enough profit to commit to it.


And after the royalty too. Does anyone believe that there can ever be a second manufacturer in this scenario? I don't.

This is interesting to me because we just had a similar discussion this weekend regarding F18 and one design. A minority of our area F18 sailors (actually just one of them) is concerned that departing from Hobie Tiger class rules and opening up to F18 (since the recent insurgence of the Nacra F18 in the area) would be detrimental due to the arms race. The majority concensus was that it would be healthy to start considering ourselves full on F18 and forget about one manufacturer one design. I think the argument is Moo since evidence suggests outside manufacturer sails are actually cheaper than Hobie or Nacra.

(By the way, the point is "Moo" because who would listen to a cow's opinion? )

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Re: Lighter mast makes the Tornado safer! [Re: Jake] #34779
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Well Jake on the "UDDER HAND"????

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