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Posts: 1,669 Melbourne, Australia | http://www.sailing.org/olympics2004/results/TornadoOverall.aspGo for Gold, Bundy / Forbes 2004 Olympics Athens News Fri, 13 Aug 2004 to Sun, 29 Aug 2004 Olympics: Tornado and Star previews Sat, 21 Aug 2004 Racing begins in the Tornado catamaran and Star keelboat classes in Athens today with Australian crews among the favourites. Darren Bundock and John Forbes, silver medallists in the Tornados at Sydney 2000, have completed a very thorough campaign towards this Olympics, down to having a spare boat that is equally ready to race as their ‘front line’ boat. They undertook a comprehensive sailcloth analysis before concluding that Dacron, with the technology going back more than 30 years had better shape retaining qualities than more recent exotic cloths utilising carbon fibre, Kevlar and other ‘exotics’ The Australian team is the only one in the Olympic Tornado fleet using a Dacron mainsail. Their sails are by Ullman Italy, Giorgio Zuccoli’s old loft, now run by Pablo Soldano. Forbes and Bundock looked at all the synthetic options including Cuben fibre, which gave promising results for the US team at this year’s worlds and against the initial scepticism of coach Mike Fletcher decided to keep using Dacron as they had for the past four years. They decided to accept the disadvantage of a little more weight in the cloth but did save weight by going lighter on the reinforcing, like corner patches. ‘Shape is everything and we found Dacron has best qualities,’ Forbes said. ‘The only negative is the extra weight.’ They have practised for the past three weeks on the Saronic Gulf with the Germans, Roland Gaebler and Gunnar Struckman and the Greeks Iordanis Paschalides/Christos Garefis. Yesterday the Tornados sailed a practice race. Forbes said this morning: ‘We are going alright.’ He expects the strongest opponents will again be the Sydney gold medallists, Roman Hagara and Hans Peter Steinacher of Austria and the current world champions Santiago Lange/Carlos Espinola (Argentina). The French, Olivier Backes/Laurent Voiron and Spaniards, Fernando Echavarri/Anton Paz, could also be up there, Forbes predicted. Australians Colin Beashel and David Giles, world champions in 1998, Olympic bronze medalists in 1996, remain in the top frame in the star-studded Star keelboat class on form in European regattas over the past two years. Newcomers from the Finn class – big boys who know how to hike hard – have made an impact in the class since Sydney 2000. One of them, Freddie Loof, crewed by Anders Elkstrom (Sweden) won both the world and European championship this year. Another, Ian Percy (Great Britain), crewed by Steve Mitchell, won the world championship in 2002. Multi-talented US sailor Paul Cayard, crewed by Phil Trinter in winning the US trials beat the 2000 gold medallist Mark Reynolds and are rated a strong chance by Colin Beashel. by Bob Ross | | | Re: Tornado have started
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Posts: 324 South Florida | I hope BRAVO shows a little more than just highlights of the races. Last night I stayed up 'til 12:30 to watch some sailing and they only had a , maybe, 8 minute blurb and then said "and that's all for sailing" and moved on.
Does anyone know if there is another channel that shows all the sailing events????
By the way, I'll be rooting for Lange and Espinosa 1st, and US 2nd.
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Posts: 1,037 Central California | They gave the 49ers only 3 minutes--what a shame. I hope they give the fastest olympic boat more air time than that.
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Posts: 552 | Hello All, Thanks for the post! I know it driving us all nutzo, not being able to see what is going on. I suspect one of the teams MAY have a website that will give the race as it happens,.....the cat folks are a pretty innovative and savvy bunch, yes! If there is such a site, share it with us all. Any weather report info? regards, Bruce St. Croix USVI | | | Re: Tornado have started
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | I think the sailing coverage has been awesome, both in quantity and quality! It would be interesting to know how much air time sailing is getting compared to the other events, but I bet it would be up there close to the top. And that would be amazing, considering that it is probably the most difficult to cover, logistically -- and probably the most expensive to cover, too.
I have never seen such extensive coverage of sailing at the Olympics, and obviously we have Gary Jobson to thank for this.
Sailing is one of the few events (maybe the only one) that goes on for the entire two weeks of the Olympics. I don't know how Gary is able to do what he is doing. His schedule has to be brutal, and everybody knows that he is doing this while battling a life-threatening and very debilitating illness.
They are getting video from powerboats on the water, from some onboard cameras, and from helicopters. They try to feature a different class every day and then also give brief clips from another class or two.
It amazes me how they are able to get all this video and audio from all the inputs, not to mention graphics, and get it produced into what is usually a half-hour program (including commercials) every night.
I have loved watching the 470's and the Ynglings and Lasers and Finns. It's fun to watch the tactics with the monohulls.
I don't like to watch the sailboards where the sailors pump their sails and they look like a bunch of butterflies -- looks more like pain and muscle than smarts.
The Tornados are going to be more difficult to cover videowise, and not as interesting tactically, I'm sure. But I hope we get a fair amount of air time.
Personally, I am more interested in watching the Star class for this last half of the sailing competitions. | | | Re: Tornado have started
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I really enjoyed the 30 seconds of the Tornados last night...seriously. After watching 15 minutes of keelboat sailing the boat speed difference was astonishing. I trust Gary will do us right and we'll get our moment!
USA is in second with points tie for first - Go Lovell and Ogletree!!
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Scratch That! Lovell and Ogletree are in first place by two points with a bullet and sixth place in two races today! Whoooohooo!
I hope we get some fine coverage tonight!
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Posts: 324 South Florida | Mary,
I must be watching the wrong channel! What channel are you watching, Bravo? Last night they had a full half hour of sailing, but nothing compared to all the swimming events. Everytime I turn on the t.v. I see nothing but swimming. AGHH! Enough of that!! I want to see some colorful sails!!!
I'm off to Cleveland.
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Posts: 552 | http://www.sailing.org/olympics2004/This link takes you to a composite sailing page. When you click on a respective race, say race 3, it opens to a nice page with weather, mark rounding positions and results. If you want to see the course, click on the 'course' ( it is 'up-and-down with a gate x 3) Looks like weather was under 9 mph ....yikes. regards, Bruce St. Croix | | | Re: Tornado have started
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Posts: 1,669 Melbourne, Australia | Simone Green, Monday, 23 August 2004
Races Three and Four
In extremely light conditions the Tornado fleet contested race 3 and 4 today. Among the eight crews protesting the decisions of the Race Committee, are the Australian's Darren Bundock & John Forbes who posted a 12th and 11th in the days races. The multiple World Champions are in 11th overall.
It was also a tough day on the water for Australia's Tornado boys. Darren Bundock (AIS/NSWIS) and John Forbes (AIS/NSWIS) are currently lying 11th overall after a 12th and an 11th in today's two races.
In a light wind and tricky conditions Bundock and Forbes were penalised in race three, costing them valuable placings. The Aussies were stranded in a path of no wind, unable to do more than just float along. The pair could not get out of the way when a rival crew came through on a puff and called starboard. As a result the Australia’s were faced with the challenge of completing penalty turns in no breeze, a slow frustrating task.
The Sydney 2000 silver medallists are seeking redress, with a protest to be heard in Athens tonight.
Sydney 2000 gold medallists Roman Hagara and Hans Peter Steinacher (AUT) has been overtaken by American duo Charlie Ogletree and John Lovell in the overall point score.
Day 2 - Tornado (4 races)
1.John LOVELL/Charlie OGLETREE (USA) (2,2,1,6) 11pts 2.Roman HAGARA/Hans Peter STEINACHER (AUT) (1,3,8,1) 13pts 3.Santiago LANGE/Carlos ESPINOLA (ARG) (7,1,6,5) 19pts 11.Darren BUNDOCK/John FORBES (AUS) (9,7,12,11) 39pts
Full list of Tornado results here. | | | Re: Tornado have started
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Posts: 1,669 Melbourne, Australia | Here is a quote from the Yahoo Tornado Forum.
So what do you guys think.
Ogletree, a sail maker for Ullman in Houston, discovered a new laminate that is 20 percent lighter than what most Tornado sailors use. "We created quite a stir in the class," sad Ogletree. ISAF ultimately approved the cloth for use in the Olympics. This edge has helped make Lovell and Ogletree one of the fastest duos in the fleet. [...] The new laminate--both film and fibers are made of Pentex, a polyester derivative--is the biggest breakthrough in the class since [the new rig]. "The cloth is made of the same raw materials as other Tornado sails," explains Ogletree, "bit it's 20 percent lighter and stronger for its weight." [...] Ogletree secured exclusive rights to use the new laminate through the Olympic Games; it is shared with training partners The Netherlands and Great Britain. The three teams, working with Ullman's Jay Glaser (California) and Pablo Soldano (Italy), together have developed sail designs. [...] All three boats finished in the top five at the 2004 Worlds [...].
So, the sails are exclusively available to just 3 teams...
I've no problem with the cloth. It's the exclusive supply agreement that is unfair in a one-design class, IMHO.
--Glenn
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Sail Magazine reports that US team Lovell and Ogletree are using a main and jib where both the fibers and laminate are made of class-legal Pentex, and which are 20% lighter than the sails other teams are using. Furthermore, they have secured an exclusive license to the material from the sole supplier through the end of the Olympics, according to the article.
It seems to me that this exclusive licensing from a supplier of emerging technology is anti-competitive and unfair in a one design class and that the sails should be forbidden under the "Fair Sailing" rule of the ISAF RRS. I assume that the sails have already been measured and approved, but I hope someone protests these sails if they do use them. This team represents my country, I expect them to play fair.
What do you think?
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