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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | ...and Bruno is so confident that they will beat Fossett's 58 day, 9.5 hour record that they only have 58 days worth of food onboard.
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#43410 01/24/05 04:44 PM 01/24/05 04:44 PM |
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#43412 01/24/05 08:55 PM 01/24/05 08:55 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | He probably did because the entry fee is only 11k if you've applied for the JV trophy before! Prior to Fossett's RTW journey, they raised the fee to 30k for first timers of which Fossett was the only one. That still makes me brew.
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#43414 01/24/05 11:50 PM 01/24/05 11:50 PM |
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Don't you just love it when multi billion-airs bitch over pocket change ?
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#43416 01/25/05 10:12 AM 01/25/05 10:12 AM |
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"you mean I have to PAY someone to sail around the world?!" No, but if you want to claim the JV trophy, you do.
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#43417 01/25/05 10:48 AM 01/25/05 10:48 AM |
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All others, and noteably alot less weathly projects, paid the fees also !
What makes Fosset special ?
I understand the funny part about raising the entry fee and yes maybe some Gallic pride is the blame here.
What what would be better than to show you could care less about that by laying the 32K in cash on the table have them write a receit on the spot and walk out with the memorable words :"And now get ready to loose your trophy !"
That would really put them on the spot.
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Right...and I don't think Fossett had a problem paying $11k to be eligible. It was the fact that he was the ONLY skipper that would have to pay the new $30k to be eligible for the trophy. Further complicating the political mess surrounding this, The JV comittee that made this decision was chaired by Mr. Bruno Peyron, who was also the trophy and RTW record holder at the time!
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#43420 01/25/05 11:54 AM 01/25/05 11:54 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Near the end of their run when it was becoming clear that they were going to break the record, Steve Fossett's organization attempted to renegotiate with the JV folks - saying that they would pay the same entry fee as everyone else. They were also arguing that it would seriously devalue the JV Trophy if it were no longer unified with the RTW record. The JV committee wouldn't budge. Steve Fossett gathered his crew onboard and put the question to them. They were given the option to have a ratified RTW record and $30k JV trophy or a ratified RTW and a $30k party when they finished.....they don't have the trophy.
Now, one can assume, that Bruno has a special desire to repair the symmetry between the JV trophy and the RTW record. They certainly have the boat that can do it and were serious (****) enough to only take enough food onboard with which to do so.
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#43423 02/02/05 01:53 AM 02/02/05 01:53 AM |
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Posts: 248 Colorado | Don't you just love it when multi billion-airs bitch over pocket change He's a "multi billionaire" because he always bitched over pocket change. He was doubly right to bitch about this $30K and ultimately made the JV folks foolish by blowing them off.
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#43424 02/02/05 12:28 PM 02/02/05 12:28 PM |
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | made the JV folks foolish by blowing them off.
Did he ? The sailing world is dominated by the French, Aussies and New Zealanders; at some distance we get the Brits and even further out the Americans. Once Fosset loses his record (which isn't a record officially in many aspects) he will be happily forgotten. Now I'm not saying it is right ! I'm just saying that in these elites it matters HOW you've done things. And I can assure you that in the saling elites the way things are supposed to be done are different then the American way. Even if the French JV committee was wrong in the first place. Don't shoot the messenger please, Wouter
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#43425 02/02/05 02:06 PM 02/02/05 02:06 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | which isn't a record officially in many aspects Define this statement please...because according to the body that ratifies records, it is.
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#43426 02/02/05 02:56 PM 02/02/05 02:56 PM |
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | It is not a JV record while many if not all of the others were.
Wasn't the course they sailed slightly different ? I know only at the beginning or the end and they WOULD have broken the JV as well if they tried but their is ambiquaty about it.
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I think you're right, Wouter, that they did not finish in the right place to be recognized by JVC.
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