| Round Texel update #50795 06/10/05 06:40 PM 06/10/05 06:40 PM |
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | Well, both Bard/Lonneke and Geert/Raymond have chosen to save their boats for the upcoming round tomorrow and leave the racing today for what it is. No wonder as both of them got T-boned during the Dutch open regatta. Geert was blessed by seeing a M20 up close and personal. The M20 crew made a rookie mistake. They tried to force their way in near the upwind mark while sailing on a port tack (their boom was hanging over starboard side of boat). Bloody idiots, what were they thinking, in a 40 + boat fleet that is just asking for trouble. There is some hull damage on Geerts Taipan 4.9 but not too much and he can still do the round itself tomorrow. Bard had somewhat less luck and Geert mentioned that he has a little more damage. Once again a crew on a Marstrom product, this time a Tornado, made the same mistake of thinking that powering up to the A-mark while on a port tack is a good idea. (another bloody idiot) Luckily Bart and Geert feel that it can be patched up enough to let Bard and Lonneke do the Round itself. There was quite some wind and especially then a crew must REALLY know what they are doing when trying to sqeeze in a starboard tack approach to the A-mark. Pete and Dee McDowell seem to have been able to avoid the onslaughts and still raced. They will be there doing the Round on their Stealth F16 tomorrow as well. Without a Marstrom footprint on their new hulls. Several spitfires are doing very well indeed. Several of these Spitfire crews know what they are doing. They are good crews. The final results for the Texel Ducth open can be found here : http://rotdominoserver.ti.mon3aan.nl/IIS/finishlists/tdo2005/Final_results.htmIn summary : 67 boats entered, 59 boats scored 2 results of more (were active) : Placings of the 16 footers (on handicap) 13th spitfire Sproat, Chris Burke, Georgina 14th spitfire Scantlebury, Michael Mr Farr, Alex Mr 39th stealth F16 Mcdowell, Pete Mcdowell, Dee 41st spitfire Beech, John Burke, Hannah 105 46th taipan 4.9 (F16) Ruesink, Geert Haas, Raymond V.D. Bard Louis / Lonneke Stark scored one race before a collision took them out and they were given the wrong rating and were placed in the wrong start fleet. So their result is pretty meaningless. Conditions for tomorrow look to be 14 knots of wind (force 4) from the north west. With considerable cloud cover with intermittend sun. Looks like the round is going to be a reaching drag race for the biggest part. Should favour the sloop boats and H16's. only a small amount of upwind work so the Uni-rigs will be disadvantaged. Wouter
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | www.roundtexel.comThe results are in : ONLY 124 finishers out of 600 entries and about 2o0 starters ! As sjon wrote it was a battle field. Two F16's stayed on the beach choosing to not risk damaging their boats Pete and Dee McDowell on their Stealth F16 did succesfully negociate the surf and started the round. Sadly they were seen pulling in at the harbour of Oude Schild that is on the other side of the island (at about 60 % of the race). It is not known why they pulled out of the race. No major damage was seen from the distance, maybe they decided that enough was enough. Will get back on this if I learn more. There were several spitfires at this years Round but only 1 finished the course. Probably, some crews decided to stay on shore or pull out along the way as was the general trend. However the one spitfire that did finish won the open class : 1 | spitfire | Sproat (UK) / Burke (UK) | 2:39:50 | 2:32:13 | = (elapsed time | handicapped time) 2 | M20 | Kerstens (NL) / Smissaert (NL) | 2:37:30 | 2:49:21 | = (elapsed time | handicapped time) 3 | hobie fx one solo | Zwitser (NL) | 2:58:30 | 2:50:00 = (elapsed time | handicapped time) Note how the difference in handicapped time between numbers 1 and 3 is no less than 18 minutes ! Also note that the Spitfire finished only 2 min 20 sec (elapsed time) behind the M20 after 2 and halve hours of sailing. Once again it is proven than M20's really don't like the Round Texel distance race as much as sloop rigged boats do. It appears that Texel just includes to much reaching and not enough pure upwind work. Congratulations to Sproat and Burke on the Swell catamaran Spitfire ! (Grandfathered F16) In the overall results this Spitfire crew scored a 19th place overall. In the overal results the standing is |1| 005 | F18 Tiger | Yes | Heemskerk (NL) / Boer (NL) | 2:16:35 | 2:13:54 | = (elapsed time | handicapped time) |2| 003 | F18 Capricorn | Yes | Kenbeek (NL) / Brouwer (NL) | 2:20:57 | 2:18:11 | = (elapsed time | handicapped time) |3| 009 | F18 Capricorn | Yes | Geijssen (NL) / Capelle (NL) | 2:21:46 | 2:18:59 = (elapsed time | handicapped time) |4| 006 | tornado Spi | Yes | Samama (NL) / Leeuwen (NL) | 2:11:11 | 2:19:33 = (elapsed time | handicapped time) 19 | spitfire | Sproat (UK) / Burke (UK) | 2:39:50 | 2:32:13 | = (elapsed time | handicapped time) And there is a NEW round Texel (elapsed time )record : 2 hours 11 min and 11 sec. (Old record was about 2 hours and 30 min) Set by Samama (NL) / Leeuwen (NL) ; giving them a 4th place overall on handicap. They were sailing the Olympic Tornado. (That is the version with the spinnaker and larger mainsail etc) And remember, you heard it first on the F16 forum !  Wouter
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Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | Indeed,
You have to decide for yourself if you are up to the task or not. It is called personal responsibility. We don't put signs above fireplaces saying "Don't put your hand in the fire" as well. I think the legal system still assumes that a normal adult doesn't need a personal guardian all the time to tell him what is wise and what is ... ehhh ... unwise I hope we never go to a justice system that is based on endless litigation.
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#50809 06/15/05 09:06 AM 06/15/05 09:06 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | What is unsafe for one crew is another crew's new record...so how would you prove it's unsafe?
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Indeed,
You have to decide for yourself if you are up to the task or not. It is called personal responsibility. We don't put signs above fireplaces saying "Don't put your hand in the fire" as well. I think the legal system still assumes that a normal adult doesn't need a personal guardian all the time to tell him what is wise and what is ... ehhh ... unwise I hope we never go to a justice system that is based on endless litigation.
Wouter Wouter is spot on here. It is ALL about personal responsibility. Darryl, it's your line of thinking that will end it for all of us! Why does it ALWAYS have to be someone elses fault when we clearly do something we should not have! I don't like big brother telling me what I can and can't do and I certianly don't want the RC telling when I can and cannot sail. That's my decision and my decision alone! If this sport is to scary for you, then take up golf.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | There seems to have been boat damage at Texel, but was there any persons injured? I think most of the crews (over half?) did execise personal responsibility and stayed on the beach but are there any "issues" over contact with the ones who went out? Think about this; you are on a brand new M20 (the most expensive thing I could think of) and you are in complete control, headding out through the surf, when a wild butt P16, going fast and out of control, T-bones you, putting a rather large hole in your new carbon hull, about mid-ship. Your boat then goes over and the mast breaks in the surf, ripping both main and jib. Your crew tries in vain to save it and in the process breaks his arm. OK, who pays for that? If anyone is injured, who pays for that? Do the organizers at Texel require some kind of proof of insurance at registrataion? I hate litigation as much as anyone but if it's my crew and my $30,000 getting tossed in the surf because some out of control nut job with no insurance hit me, I may have to call a lawyer! I saw a similar incident on a Laser, an old one T boned my buddies brand new boat, first time in the water, "too bad, that's racing" was all he got out of it! To get a lawyer involved would have cost more than a new Laser so nothing was ever done about it.
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Unregistered | Do the organizers at Texel require some kind of proof of insurance at registrataion? From the NOR: 14. Competitors will participate in the ‘Zwitserleven Ronde om Texel’ entirely at their own risk. The Organising Authority will not accept any liability for personal or material damage, injury or death, sustained in conjunction with, prior to, during or after the ‘Zwitserleven Ronde om Texel’. The Organising Authority disclaims any and all such liability. Each competing boat has to show at the registration office a valid third party liability insurance policy, racing at the North Sea included and with a minimum coverage of €700.000 per incident. | | |
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