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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: MauganN20] #57123
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Boston huh. You bringing your sailing stuff?

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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: Barry] #57124
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If I'm going to be up there for three whole weeks and you've got a ride, heck yes!

I'm gonna need a guide up there, I have NO CLUE about the city whatsoever.

I like Irish Pubs, so I have to find one when I'm there. :P

Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: MauganN20] #57125
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Send me a PM

Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: Barry] #57126
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I hate to hijack this post, but really quick...

Barry, I used to sail in Salem Sound until I moved this spring. Do you happen to know what kind of cat Rosebud is? It's the large, red one at the mouth of Salem Harbor just off of Naugus Head.


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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: hobienick] #57127
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I moved inland myself. I guess I need to change my location.

Rosebud is a euro F28 that has been modified and lightened. A few friends have raced the boat and stated that it was a real bear when the wind is over 15. I have raced against it a few times and the larger tri seem to be faster. We didn’t have any problem with it in 15 knots downwind.
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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: Barry] #57128
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Thanks, Barry. Actually I like the sailing in Salem better for beach cats. There are very few places to launch down here and none of them are free. I guess I got spoiled with Sandy Point on Water street. Plus, the water up there is much cleaner and doesn't stain my boat.

Too bad I hadn't checked out this forrum while I was still up there. I was always looking for other cat sailors in the area.


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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: NCSUtrey] #57129
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I'll bet those sails would look really good with a black spinnaker huh?



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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: AlanOSauras] #57130
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Yup, the new black spinnaker is next on the list...you buying Alan?
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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: MauganN20] #57131
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Tad, Let me know when you're around and I'll buy you a pint to toast your Pooh Bah status!

Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: Brian_Mc] #57132
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Tad, Let me know when you're around and I'll buy you a pint to toast your Pooh Bah status!

Way to go, Brian! Southie here they come.
Tad is going to have to practice saying stuff like "This bee-ya is wicked ahw-sum huh Bri-ahn. Whan a nutha?"


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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: NCSUtrey] #57133
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Who made your sail? The one you sent back and the one with the bad boltrope. I too have had a problem with sails.I sent one back because of poor workmanship.N-20

Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: wally2] #57134
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Elliot loft made both.
They blamed it on the "rope Guy" for sending them a smaller and stretcher bolt rope. They wanted the dealer to get it replaced locally and for me to keep the sail. I said NO! They are sending me a new one. I feel for the local dealers because they get hurt the worse. The margins are so small, any extra time spent on a sale are profit killers.

Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: NCSUtrey] #57135
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Trey, congrats on the new sails and thanks for letting me drive a REAL boat down in Myrtle.

Tad, congrats also on the new sails. If you want some a-cat time send me a PM next time your coming up to Md. Then you won't be a looserer.

Ed


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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: Barry] #57136
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Barry, I think most new employees in a sailmaking business starts with finishing sails. Installing grommets, boltropes, fittings etc. so that's probably where you will see most problems.

I know from my literature that getting boltropes with consistent quality/properties was a big concern earlier when dacron was a new cloth.


Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: LuckyDuck] #57137
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Hey Ed,

No problem on the ride, I was bushwhacked on Saturday after roasting in my tent all night. The $109 I spent on a hotel room for saturday night was the best investment I've ever made.

I was actually in Baltimore all week but had to come back to boring ole NC for more work. I'll definitely take you up on your offer. Although I don't know when I'll be able to fit in a trip "home" anytime soon. :-/

E-P sails very inconsistant [Re: Barry] #57138
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I think over the years I bought ~ 10-12 new sails for Nacra 6.0's or 5.8. The quality control from EP has been dreadfull. When I got my last nacra 6.0 new in 2002 the mainsail had a stupidly long luff. the first time I put it up the mast, I thought they have given me a short mast. I had to cut 5" off the bottom of the sail to downhaul it.
Of the 6.0 sails I have owned, from vintage 1994 to vintage 2002 the measurements varied by up to 10 inches on luff lenght and 2.5" on width. Jibs varied a couple of inches on foot and luff measurements.

Good thing they are one design! I would not mind it so much if they did not charge premium dollars for them.

I have had new sails missing all the batten tie grommets, missing batten caps. Batten caps looking like they were peened on with a brick, some sails came with 1/4" rivets in the headboards, others had 1/8" rivets that needed reworking in less then 10 days of sailing.

On the other hand, I got 3 of 4 sails from EP that were awesome. If I had a bunch of money I would order 4 mains and 4 jibs a year, 3 months apart so they came from different batches and just resell the bad ones.

Contrast that to the quality of A class sails from Goodall, Ashbey, Ulman or DN sails by henry Bosset or 1D which are consistantly good and rarely have problems.

Cheers,
Eric anderson
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Re: Ahh, the joy of new sails [Re: NCSUtrey] #57139
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Trey,

The ghost of Edward Teach visited me about 30 minutes ago.

He'd like his sail back.

He said if you don't fork it up, he'll do the backstroke around our boat without his head.

Don't ask.

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