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Re: Interesting?? [Re: Isotope235] #62251
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Eric, What do you think of dragging a leg in the water to slow down? Against the rules or not?


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Eric, What do you think of dragging a leg in the water to slow down? Against the rules or not?


IMO 100% against.


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Eric, What do you think of dragging a leg in the water to slow down? Against the rules or not?


Well, that isn't an easy question. I haven't come across any definitive answer to that specific action so consider this as just my opinion. Rule 42 "Propulsion" is a tough one to enforce, and even the Senior Judges are unsure in some cases. SAYRA had Pat Healey (who is an excellent speaker, by the way) come give a seminar on propulsion to the judges at the last annual meeting. He went through the different ways that people can move a boat around and gave practical tips on how to spot it. Pat also went over the ISAF interpretations of Rule 42 (available at: http://www.sailing.org/rrs2005/42interpretations2005.pdf).

One of those interpretations is:
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Except when permitted under rule 42.3, any single action of the body that propels the boat (in any direction) with the effect of one stroke of a paddle is prohibited.

Given that a dragging a leg in the water isn't one of the permitted actions, I'd have to say that means you can't stick your foot in any more than you could stick a paddle in.

I doubt that anyone would protest you for dragging a leg, and a protest committee would have to be pretty sure of itself to penalize you for it. Nevertheless, I'd suggest you don't. I prefer to tell people how to follow the rules - not how to skirt them.

That said, one of the permitted actions is Rule 42.3(e):
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A boat may reduce speed by repeatedly moving her helm.
If you want to slow down at a mark, you could legally steer back and forth (think of it as sculling to reduce speed). Dragging your rudders is a very effective way of slowing down without dragging a leg.

You might need to show a protest committee rules 42.2(d) "Prohibited Actions" and 42.3(e) "Exceptions" if someone accuses you of sculling.

Well, that's my opinion anyway. I hope it helps.

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Used to be a regular start tactic ( lightish weather )in the Tornado fleet at Worlds and Euros - don't ever recall any protests resulting from it.


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Used to be a regular start tactic ( lightish weather )in the Tornado fleet at Worlds and Euros - don't ever recall any protests resulting from it.

I have observed fleets where everybody stakes out a spot on the start line and parks. Sailors will frequently stick a leg in the water to help stay stationary. That might be technically within ISAF's interpretation given that it does not propel the boat in any direction. I still think it's a gray area though, given that you can't scull to keep from moving astern (see rule 42.2(d)). Anchoring is legal, though, and you could argue that the leg is equivalent to a sea anchor.

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Used to be a regular start tactic ( lightish weather )in the Tornado fleet at Worlds and Euros - don't ever recall any protests resulting from it.


It was a regular one up to the Prep signal (i.e. 5 mins in a 10 min cycle) in fleets I've sailed in (not Tornado). But after that

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Except when permitted under rule 42.3, any single action of the body that propels the boat (in any direction) with the effect of one stroke of a paddle is prohibited.


Applies and so it's a nono.


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