Which countries use PY, SCHRS and Texel? Is Europe more measurement based over the Australians and Americans using PY systems?

Has SCHRS updated the numbers or the French went ahead and did their own changes? SCHRS web site is still showing 2004 numbers.

http://www.ffvoile.net/ffv/public/voile_legere1/cata/ratings.pdf

Some info here:-

http://p105.ezboard.com/faclasscatamaranforumfrm2.showMessage?topicID=78.topic

Hee hee hee....

Bet theyare in for a shock when they find out that a Flyer rates at somewhere around .98 ! They are talking about their rating being too hard !

I think that the whole reason that A Class people have brought this subject up again recently on this, and other forums, is because they cannot race competitively on SCHRS. They feel that if they were seen to win open events, then more people would buy As and the Class would grow. They have been asking for a better rating for a long time now.

Use the Texel rating system. More fair and far more easy to contact the Texel committee. I have to deal with ISAF and SCHRS but I'm not enjoying it any way. I much rather deal with Texel system. SCHRS is just a pain in the neck. I've been trying to get the F16 rating adjusted for a year now as we have a slightly larger mainsail since spring 2005. But without any succes.

F16 rating under SCHRS should be 1 point faster then it is now.

With respect to the A-cats sailors. They of all people should be pushing for using Texel. They are most benefitted by that; ESPECIALLY with the new 2006 Texel version which rates the A-cat equal to the F18's. This rating is the most fair rating I have ever seen for the A-cats, even if it may not be perfect yet.

I really don't understand much why people are still clinging to the SCHRS rating.





Personally I have my doubts. In teh past the A-cat had such a technology advantage that you could jump on one and have a very good shot at getting a win. The old OD classes were notorious for sub optimal design features. Then the Formula classes came along and quickly closed the technology gab that allowed the A-cats to rule in the past. By now the Formula boats at nearly as advanced as the A-cats in design, in some aspects even more advanced. In addition the A-cat is not an easy boat to sail well. And you need to sail it to its full potential to stand a chance of winning in todays high competitive formula fleets. We must be careful not to underestimate the level of skill in current day F18 class. Alot of A-cat sailors aren't as committed to racing their boats as the F18 crews. It is true.

The A-cat has losts its edge and no rating adjustment can bring back the old (happy) times. This is no accusation just an observation, the A-cast has yet to find an answer to the spinnaker on the formula boats as better upwind VMG is simply not sufficient anymore.




And Texel has been given them these since early 2005.

Wouter

Well done! Once again Dermot you manage to put your Dealer foot in it.
Rob

Has anybody heard any word back from SCHRS on this subject?

Ha, ha, Good joke !

Like that one !

Wouter

Do they really have their heads that deep in the sand?

Yes, that is my experience. I've been trying to get them to adjust the F16 rating for over a year now, because we had a small rule change making us FASTER. So the change is to our disadvantage and still no response. Tried several different ways.

Texel = one e-mail and the rating was adjusted within the month with a "thank you for the update" reply.

Wouter

Just seeing if anybody got any news on the SCHRS new mods? if any! plus is the French SCHRS numbers real?

Nothing happened, I'm giving up.

Texel all the way for me.

Wouter

Things are happening with SCHRS and there should be some news soon.

I cannot say any more at the moment, but things are happening in the bakcground.

I'd say it will be the end of the year by the time the new formula get passed and on to the web site. SCHRS has a history of being a bit slow in getting updates to the people. Like Wouter I've given up on them.

But saying that there are boats out there that dont want SCHRS updated because their rating will go down and they will have to race a bit harder to get that win. Wouter talked about one of these boats and the reason why it has such a great rating.

Hi Mark,
Just for the heck of it, I took some results and used Texel and USSA Portsmouth Yardstick. As I expected, there were no position changes. Maybe in tighter racing there would be. (??) What I do like about Texel is more configurations (like my Fx-1, two-up with jib, no spinnaker...)

Steve
Hobie FX-1
Sail #211