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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #69670
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Is it an optical illusion, or are the hulls "wracking" a lot in the above picture?


That's just an optical illusion - what you don't see is the leeward bow underwater.

The boom is a round extrusion - which is something new from Performance Catamarans. Several booms were bent during capsizes in the breeze on Monday and we had to replace several of them with the old-style rectangular boom.


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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Jake] #69671
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so would you say jake... ixnay on the tube booms?

Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Jake] #69672
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Thanks Jake,

Is the round extusion aluminum? It appears black in the picture? Do you know if this a class approved change?


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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Chris9] #69673
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This is Krantz. I got bored and decided to try out the Newkirk body surfing technique. Kirk does it the easy way offshore with a steady breeze, I upped the difficulty factor by overstanding and coming into A mark on port...

Monday had some nuclear puffs. Dave and I pitched it 3 times in one leg. At one point I counted half the fleet upside down. Yesterday, we got caught outside a 90 degree shift and went from 3rd to 10th. Then the wind built and and racing was canceled for the day. Today we're under postponement this morning waiting for it lay down some. Dave and I ate our wheaties, we're ready to race...

Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: MauganN20] #69674
03/22/06 07:46 PM
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so would you say jake... ixnay on the tube booms?


I wouldn't say...although we have not had any break from sheet pressure. They are aluminum with black anodizing. They are a bit lighter than the original boom.



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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: mikekrantz] #69675
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I think ya'll are posting records for number of pitchpoles in a Nacra 20 in a regatta!

Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: MauganN20] #69676
03/23/06 09:03 AM
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I would almost expect that to be the case at this event regardless of what boat is used.

High gusty winds, steep choppy seas, and experienced sailors who regularly push the performance envelope on boat design.

Also, throw in the fact there are no chicken lines, footstraps, or even non-skid (other than factory spec) strips.

I would venture a guess that sailors used to using chicken lines, footstraps, etc. are used to driving the boats this hard, but NOT used to sliding all over them when the boat stuffs into the back of a big wave, or gets slammed with a huge puff with the spin up.

I'm interested to find out why there have been a few booms break during pitchpoles, but no spin poles/snuffers (of course, I'm not there so I don't know if this is the case). Did the crew hit the boom during the maneuver?

I could see a 170+ lb person striking the boom (under heavy mainsheet tension) on the side during a capsize/pitchpole causing major problems....


Jay

Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: waterbug_wpb] #69677
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More photos from PTP are uploaded on our photo area at http://www.flickr.com/photos/teamseacats/


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I also uploaded some superb short movies again graciously provided by PTP. I put them up here: link . I think it was '812' that showed Daniel nearly pitchpoling. Thanks again Patrick!

(at this moment they're still uploading and I've got to head to the beach...give it a little bit).

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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Jake] #69679
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I put them up here: link . I think it was '812' that showed Daniel nearly pitchpoling.
Get a "403 Forbidden" message.


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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: hobie1616] #69680
03/23/06 11:26 AM
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It's because they are STILL uploading. I don't know how much longer it will be because I'm doing it through a website instead of my FTP software. It's 160Mb worth of movies and apparently this connection is pretty asymetrical.


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Me too!

Fire the webguy!

Off with his head!

Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: MauganN20] #69682
03/23/06 12:19 PM
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Hey Jake,

How bout an update on the Break last night

Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Jake] #69683
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I got a couple of them uploaded...and changed the folder permission so you can browse the index. Try it again (a couple of really good ones are uploading now...790, 791, and 812.


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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Jake] #69684
03/23/06 04:32 PM
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Its Over

Only Two Races

Robbie Daniel & Hunter (the break dancer) Stunzi win the Alter Cup "alledgedly"

Robbie/Hunter
Alex/Nigel
Greg T/Jacques
JC/Kenny
J Tomko/Ian
Bob Curry/Brett
Ollie/Kelly
Jeff Newsome/Peter
Susan Korz/Kevin Smith
Captain Kirk/Holmes

Provisional and unofficial

If you see this man THANK HIM!!!!

He said he's gonna go racin now!!



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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Tom Korz] #69685
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Nice movies Jake. Thanks!!


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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: hobie1616] #69686
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More photos are uploading courtesy of PTP! (they're uploading now so it will take a little bit).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/teamseacats/


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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Jake] #69687
03/23/06 07:49 PM
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I said... DAMN!!! I'm good!
Movie 791 is my favorite.. too bad I didn't get it from the start!

check 1010771 and 790 nice...
Jake, check 1010793 - they loved the course so much they wanted to take the mark with them!

and last one.. sorry from day 2 1010488

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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: PTP] #69688
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PTP,

Undoubtedly...you have taken some great material there! I do want you to know, however, that I hope to never have your "bad luck magic wand" pointed in my direction!

PS...one of your shots will likely be on the front page of US Sailing tonight. Actually....I just checked and it's there already. GREAT shot of the winners from Day 2!

www.ussailing.org


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Re: Alter Cup Update [Re: Jake] #69689
03/23/06 11:45 PM
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A near miss with a committee boat. This is Nelson/Hall with the yellow spinnaker and Tomko was to the outside...watch the helm twitch closely as Tomko changed his mind a couple of times about how to get around Nelson and the committee boat.

(right click and "save as")....
http://www.teamseacats.com/alter/good.mov


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