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Re: First Pics [Re: bobcat] #78132
07/04/06 10:46 AM
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I saw the camera boat so I thought I would go Hollywood.
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Re: First Pics [Re: bobcat] #78133
07/04/06 11:14 AM
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Very nice! I take it you are pleased with your new toy?

How did the first blast under spin go?


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I am "pleased as punch". The first spin runs were a hoot. The day started out still, but at 2:30pm the wind came in at about 8kts with a lot of puffs and shifts. I tried to contain myself and keep her deep but did go hunting for the power a couple of times. Got the hull up but didn't start hiking or trapping downwind. Baby steps.

Re: First Pics [Re: bobcat] #78135
07/04/06 12:01 PM
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You know Bruce, I had the old style mainsail, now I have the same one you have. I noticed this new mainsail loves to be block to block, even in lighter stuff.

I am considering running less rake.

HMMMM! anyone else got any suggestions? maybe this should merit a new thread?

OH and pictures are SWEET! got any high resolution images, I want to make a new wallpaper for my pc. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Sure, I have the original jpeg's from the camera. Each picture is about 1-2MB.

Re: First Pics [Re: bobcat] #78137
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can you email them to me please?

wildvan @ bellsouth dot net

Thanks, if I do anything with crazy effects, I will make sure you get a copy.

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Give a CC to wouterhijink(at)hotmail.com please

Thanks

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Re: First Pics [Re: Robi] #78139
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I am considering running less rake.

HMMMM! anyone else got any suggestions? maybe this should merit a new thread?



A new thread ? Yes, I think so.

Gossip has it over here that the EU guys are all running the masts more straight up.

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Re: First Pics [Re: Wouter] #78140
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Very nice, Bruce.

I've stood my mast up a bit to get rid of some weather helm. I cannot get my blocks that close (in the pics) anymore. The boat feels well balanced and it hasn't seemed to hurt the pointing ability. I am still tyring to figure it out, though.


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I'm on the third hole from the bottom, and have a little more weather helm than I'd like. I don't think I can get my blocks that close either, and I've got an extra snap shackle on there.

I'm going to try standing the mast up a little more, and I'll measure it with the trapeze to compare.

Paul

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Paul,

I think you have different length stays then the US boats. So in EU-US communications the position of the holes won't do much. The trap measurement is probably the only thing that will allow us to compare the rake of the mast on different boats.

Wouter


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Re: First Pics [Re: Wouter] #78143
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Paul,

I think you have different length stays then the US boats. So in EU-US communications the position of the holes won't do much. The trap measurement is probably the only thing that will allow us to compare the rake of the mast on different boats.

Wouter
And even by that, we would have to make sure the trap wires are exactly the same length as well.

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No you don't Robi. That's why it is a good way of measuring. You take the trap forward to the bridle tang and set the length (add a piece of line if you need to). Now swing the whole thing back to see where it touches the deck at the back of the boat. Voila! you can quickly guage how much rake you have.....


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Re: First Pics [Re: Robi] #78145
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And even by that, we would have to make sure the trap wires are exactly the same length as well.



Not really. The measurement methode applied automatically takes care of that. Think about it.

Wouter


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Re: First Pics [Re: Wouter] #78146
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But this only applies to individual boats. What if my trap wire measures 6" longer than Wouter's. My aft measurement, compared to Wouter's will be off wont it?

In other words can this measuring technic apply the same to all boats?

Re: First Pics [Re: Robi] #78147
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Robi, THINK about it!

First trap measurement = hounds to bow tang. Set the trap at that (add some line if you need to)
Second trap measurement = First trap measurement moved aft to where it touches the deck. This is hounds to deck aft measurement and is equal to hounds to bow tang at foredeck measurement.

Where the trap is touching the aft deck will vary according to the amount of rake you have. More rake = touch point further aft.

Measuring this way, it doesn't matter whether one boat has longer wires or not. All you're measuring is relative rake.


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Re: First Pics [Re: Jalani] #78148
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I see it now, ive never actually done any measuring. That is why it was confusing to me.

So I wont be measuring THE wires, but the actual measurement in relation WITH the wires.

Got it.

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