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What Phill said #80917
07/24/06 10:19 AM
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Folks,
I would advise against standing on the cenreboard.
Regards,
Phill


I am sure that with a little prompting Phill will expand on this for us. I thought I would poll my fellow forumites for their opinions and experiences.

Well, I tried to create a poll but the software kept throwing an error at me. So please chime in.
Do you stand on the boards to right the boat when single handed?

1. Yes, I have to.
2. Yes, because it is easier/faster
3. No, I don't have to.
4. No, because I was told not to.
5. Definitely not because of intimate experience with failure.

Personally, I found that I had to stand on the board to get the boat to right (without mechanical aids). I was working on the understanding that sailing forces could exceed those from my standing on it. Jumping would be evil though.

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Re: What Phill said [Re: bobcat] #80918
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2. (and very carefully)


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Re: What Phill said [Re: bobcat] #80919
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#5 for me, although it was not hardware failure. It was a deep gash along my shin (lower leg) from the trailing edge of the daggerboard when I slipped off the board. This was on a N5.5 Sloop, bot the Blade - but the same would happen.

I'd figure a way out to right without getting on the boards.


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Re: What Phill said [Re: bobcat] #80920
07/24/06 10:35 AM
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3. No, I don't have to.

I'm heavy enough to right it solo from the hull.

Loads on the daggerboard while doublehanded sailing are about 150 kg's on average although acting on a smaller leverage ; therefor a daggerboards should be able to withstand the loads of a SINGLE person standing in it (around 75 kg). But just be careful.

Wouter

Last edited by Wouter; 07/24/06 10:36 AM.

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Re: What Phill said [Re: Jalani] #80921
07/24/06 11:07 AM
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2. (and very carefully)


Agreed, and no "Bouncing" at all so if it's lumpy try not to (as the waves will help anyway !)


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Re: What Phill said [Re: scooby_simon] #80922
07/24/06 11:09 AM
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what Wouter said.

Re: What Phill said [Re: Robi] #80923
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At 170 lbs (77 kg) 6'1", I'm just on the verge of righting without aids. I require a bag with a bit of water hoisted to my waist. Unfortunately, tshan's trash bag righting method (forgot the acronym) is only good for 1 righting as the bag tends to burst on the next capsize. (I carry spares in each starboard/port inspection ports <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />).


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Re: What Phill said [Re: tback] #80924
07/24/06 01:04 PM
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I only use the highest quality of trash bag. It must be 6 mil to meet my high standards.

ATRS, patent pending.


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Re: What Phill said [Re: tshan] #80925
07/24/06 02:14 PM
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I like the pillowcase idea (does leak but won't burst)


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Re: What Phill said [Re: _flatlander_] #80926
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How about putting a plastic trash bag inside of a pillow case? Then you also have an inflateable pillow for sleeping on the beach where you wash up... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />


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Re: What Phill said [Re: bobcat] #80927
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Re: What Phill said [Re: Timbo] #80928
07/25/06 02:43 AM
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Re: What Phill said [Re: bobcat] #80929
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Bruce,
Once the mast breaks contact with the water the boat may spin as it weathercocks. This can upset your balance when you are on the C/B. You may overbalance and could hit the hull with your knee.
This is something that is better to avoid.


Regards,
Phill


I know that the voices in my head aint real,
but they have some pretty good ideas.
There is no such thing as a quick fix and I've never had free lunch!

Re: What Phill said [Re: phill] #80930
07/25/06 06:58 AM
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That is something I hadn't considered. I had anticipated that you were concerned about the strength of the board/trunk combination with perhaps a bit of edge sharpness thrown in.
My first attempts were unsuccessful due to my inability to stay balanced on the board.

Re: What Phill said [Re: bobcat] #80931
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