Would it be possible to run it in a closed area ? Were everybody can view it but only registered people can modify it ?

We could even use the software that this catsailor forum used and set the edit timeframe to indefinately. Everybody then has his own login account. We could even share a single userid and be done with it.

Quick and dirty.


Wouter

Are there any other ways to share the data.

Using a forum will be more painful than a wiki but I understand the problem with spammers in wikis.

I like the idea of registered users only, just so long as everyone who wants to contribute can do so.

I think the wiki (or whatever) should be placed on the existing F16 website.

Give me a day or two to come up with something

Registered users is pretty straightforward, provided that you can approve the users manual (or by email verification). Spammers have automated systems for registerding for and signing into most standard wiki software...

Paul

We must also have a very good backup storage system implemented. It will be a right loss to see months of work distroyed by some Viagra jerk or disk crash.

Wouter

email verification it will be



The server is backed up every day by the storege company, How ever I suggest sending a backup of the files and database to 3 responsible members ones a week or once a month and the administrators user name and password

We need a domain
Please make suggestions...

And owner for the domain
Maybe f16 class organization

Just use the website we have. If we start using other domains etc etc, we are going to confuse ourselves. Just like the One and Two up ratings.

Keep it simple folks.

It is an option

You can see what i did here:
http://www.hot-tub.co.il/osf16/index.php

It needs more tuning

It is a demo so you can play with it and do what ever you like

The platform is PHPNuke

If the decision will be to use this platform then i will put more hours in to it

Perhaps we can tie the access to this "registered" site to dues paying members of the various WW F16 organizations(USF16, europeF16, PacificF16, etc...).

A good reason to support the WW organization.

You've just openned yourself up to exploits from every script kiddie on the planet.

Its tiresome to run such a platform. I tried and gave up after a couple years of constantly being "hacked" by kids who think they're smart.

I have found a way to make this platform completely safe,
It would take an expert to hack it and he would have a hard time trying.



I know how you feel,



This platform is open source and I should make my knowledge Public, how ever once I do, it will not be safe anymore
so I don't

I would have been very very interested in just how you did that.

Good idea guys but being totally able to edit any bodies ideas and thoughts on line must really mean we go around and around in ever expanding circles of thought as we all have our own views on what a F16 should be.

The Unicorn class here in the UK must be one of the most sucessfull amatuer built cats with over 1200 built I think, and really because they had loose design rules much like our box rule, good basic ways of building boats within that box rule and a steering committee who didn't allow the design to deviate too much.


To speed up the build perhaps we should be thinking along the lines of building them using the Kelsall KSS method http://www.kelsall.com/KSS.htm, if you design to the building method you will acheive a far easier and quicker build time.


Go for it guys & girls but try not to get to distracted by the small and petty things and lets have a steering committe who overlooks the whole project and will bring it back onto track when we do get deviated from our task.

Best approach I found while designing (and I do a bit of that in different areas) is to first design the functionality you want, how things should be. And then try to implement that within the limits of reality, cutting corners where you have to. This means to get down on the overall shape first and only later as a seperate project try to design the building method. This will keep one design project relatively independent of another. And we don't want somebody to delete a whole though train because he feels that it can't be done in ply or what ever.

Remember that the Blade F16 project eventually came up with a building method that could build a hull shape that was thought to be impossible before that time. The driving force was that this hull shape had to be on the Blade and so the challenge was then to figure out how it could be done. I can name many other examples. In the West engineers thought that you couldn't weld aluminium to stainless steel. In Russia they just did it when they found out how to do it after a dew failed tries.

So guys which subjects should we handle first ?

Wouter

Maybe we should clear up some of the debate about centreboards...canted, assymetrical, etc...

Okay Ncik,

make the first entry and the rest can respond to it.

Wouter

Ok, I've put something quick and dirty up there but it is unfinished and very simplified.

I don't understand the layout and process yet.

Who are the experts? How are they chosen?

The layout looks a little unintuitive.

I realise it is a preliminary arrangement for comments and suggestions.

If there is a dispute, it is possible to write a statement which covers both points of view...

"...there are two schools of thought with respect to blah, on one hand blah, however some ppl believe blah..."

I think ppl would be surprised at how willing others are to avoid conflict and cover all points of view, especially when evidence is provided for both of these, even if that evidence is common practice and documented experience.

Remember it is a document that gets developed, rather than a collection of time-stamped personal comments like those seen in forums.

I only see my own comments on there no beginnings of somebody starting the design yet.

I hope you guys all forgive me but I won't make the first steps and write up all I know. You guys start and I'll jump in later. The beginning is least interested for me personally as I covered the basics already several years ago. Alot is already to be found in my posts on this forum. So you guys start and work up a basic understanding of the principles so my comments will be picked up easier by you then.

Here you have a new website link :

http://www.geocities.com/kustzeilen/



look at subpages as :

http://www.geocities.com/kustzeilen/sailvectors.html

http://www.geocities.com/kustzeilen/heeling_pitchpole.html

http://www.geocities.com/kustzeilen/Skiff_cat_paradox.html


There is some basics about apparent winds etc there that we all need to understand. There are errors in some of the plots and conclusions but it will do for now. Hell, find the errors and fix them and then you be a long towards to more techy and interesting stuff.


Wouter

What kind of F16 are you looking to design, In order to expand on Wouters request for a spec.

Do you want to design to a budget?
Do you want to design to a weight target?
Are you designing a boat that can be homebuilt?
Do you want to optimize for certain conditions? i.e.
a certain crew weight, i.e. one up or two up
certain wind conditions i.e. a good high wind boat, or light wind boat.

Gareth