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Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | If we started all over again from scratch and could create the perfect world for beach cats and were limited to, say, five classes of cats, all of which would be sailing one-design (or formula), what should those five classes be? | | | Re: The perfect world for beach cats?
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| My input, Tornado, A Class, F18, Hobie 16, Hobie Wave. Bob <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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OK, if you need names: H-16, H-17, H-18, Tiger/F-18 and Wave. The H-17 and H-18 may be "old" but they are rugged, affordable, and will last forever.
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OK, if you need names: H-16, H-17, H-18, Tiger/F-18 and Wave. The H-17 and H-18 may be "old" but they are rugged, affordable, and will last forever.
Caleb I love the hobies but they are not the best boats out there. I mean the 16 likes to nose dive towards the bottom, the 17 is really weight sensitive when compared to other 17 foot long boats. The 18 weighs a ton, so why are they the boats that would make a perfect beachcat world. I love them all but there are better boats out there. Look at the Nacra Boats. But on the subject, F14,F16,F18,F20 and A class
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Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Interesting that some people are including the Tornado. That would not have occurred to me if we are trying to start over right now with five classes (either existing or hypothetical) that could absorb all of the existing catamaran sailors -- and attract future sailors.
I'm talking about classes for the masses. So maybe the Tornado, the current Olympic class, should be excluded, since that is definitely not a mass class boat.
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I think we need F12, F14, F16, F18 and F20.
The F12 is a small lightweight (<50kg) super simple craft for children up to a combined crew weight of 60kg.
So it is mostly sailed single handed.
Catch them young and train them rather waiting for the mono hull guys to do it.
Over 60kg and you go to F14 which we already know about, same for F16 and F18.
Re-write the F20 rules to provide a lighterweigh higher performance craft for the heavier sailor.
Just the way I see it.
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| Do we really need anything other than a Hobie 16 then we could find out who is the best sailor not who has the most cash. Damn I wish I could have said this anonymously. Wouter -------------------- Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Not everyone is as competitive as you, my friend! If racing was my only reason for sailing and since I already know that I'm NOT the best sailor, why would I compete? Perhaps the sport would not miss me, but I would miss the sport. If I were never going to race, I would still have bought the Blade; light weight, single handed performance -for my needs it is almost perfect. In a perfect beach cat world, maybe we would have the foresight to buy beach front property!
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People do understand that that post wasn't made by me but Gareth trying to present himself as me ?
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People do understand that that post wasn't made by me but Gareth trying to present himself as me ?
Thank Gareth !
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38.912, -95.37 | Mary,
I think we need F12, F14, F16, F18 and F20.
The F12 is a small lightweight (<50kg) super simple craft for children up to a combined crew weight of 60kg.
So it is mostly sailed single handed.
Catch them young and train them rather waiting for the mono hull guys to do it.
Over 60kg and you go to F14 which we already know about, same for F16 and F18.
Re-write the F20 rules to provide a lighterweigh higher performance craft for the heavier sailor.
Just the way I see it.
Regards,
Phill <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Phill, When will plans be available?
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People do understand that that post wasn't made by me but Gareth trying to present himself as me ?
Thank Gareth !
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