Limiting the 20' platform to a 10' beam is not kosher. Like it or not, we are limited by the 8.5' trailering restriction around here, and tilt trailers require too much setup and takedown time to be considered for those day long beach trips that I'm fond of.

yeah but this is about the perfect world <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> In a perfect world you don't have to trailer your boat. Your boat will be rigged and ready to go for you. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Actually I don't think the Tornado qualifies as a B-class anymore (too much sailarea)


Maybe not, as far as A,B,C & D Classes go. The A seems to be keeping closest to its original intent of a box rule development class. The B class disitigrated into mostly one-design boats with the choosing of an Olympic Class Multihull. Whether or not the Tornado still lives up to this responsibility or not can be debated at another time. In essnce though, it is still a B-Class in intent. It, as well is still one of my favorite boats to sail, or I would not have spent the time building two different ones over the years. Neither of them were really competitive other than on a local level against Sailcrafts or Reg Whites. If luck "right side of course, good start, etc...) was with us then against Marstroms as well. The unfortunate side of Tornados is really two things; first, it is a very expensive platform to own with too limited a manufacturing base, if you camn call it that. Consistently, Marstom is the only builder in the game. Second is its accessibility. Trailoring is either on a breakdown trailor or on a tilt trailor. Too bad telscoping beams were not a sound answer to the problem. Anyway, enough rambling. The Tornado could fit into a modified F-20 rating and should be considered in a "new" Tradewinds. I know the A-Class is racing their Mid-Winters/Pre-Worlds there the following week, hopefully there is some turn out from them at the regatta.

I will still stick with the list of;
Entry Level- Hobie Wave
Entry Level Racing- F-16
Advanced Two Person- F-18
Singlehanded Racing- A-Class
Two Person Racing Large Format- Tornado/Modified F-20

As to the D-Class mentioned earlier in this thread, that never realy got off the ground. I believe that only one D-Class was ever built, maybe two. C's are not approachable by many people due to the wing mast configuration. Even with soft rigs they are still too expensive and there are other boats that could fill the gap of either C or D class cats. All of these are just too large to be considered in such a regatta. As too Tornados, they too are somewhat unapproachable due to cost and transport, I still would like to see them racing again with renewed interest and exposure to the class. Who knows, maybe someone will wake up in that class and try too find a way to produce quality boats at a more affordable price.

Tom

As to Vanguard, they may be a good company to approach, Hobie or Performance Catamarans may do as well, even though the contacts and relationships with Yatch Clubs, US Sailing and ISAF are no where near as strong and developed. As to the design of a 12 foot, single handed boat, Pete Melvin and Jeremy Laundergan might be two designers to approach for such a project. The A2/A3 A-Class design on a smaller scale might work with a simplified rig. F-20 as well with Pete's extensive and successful Tornado experience to offer in retrospect. Well that's my $.02 on the issue.

Hi Group,
Seems to me a single size boat with classes defined by sail area like the Laser system. So an 18 x 8.5 roto-molded(not sure if this works for the forces involved-but it sounds good) cat with a small sail an no wire and a ball on the mast end to start. Then a single wire medium sailplan. Then a double trap spin boat.Hobie/Nacra/Vanguard could spin them out by the thousands.
Sounds like a plan for a Stanford MBA-oops that was Rodger McGregor's idea for trailer boats.

I would also like to see an area where cats could be securely stored mast up in Biscayne Bay/Miami area.

Hats off to the electronic mark moving idea-In the Chicago area they have a star of eight permanent race marks-you start in the middle and go to the various marks per each race-very cool set up.

Happy Holidays to all
Ken

there still needs in reality a transition class basicly (and I include myself)a nmanner to kill off the old boats an open run what you brung until they dun class <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

So who od us has the contacts with Vanguard to pull that off ? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Still I think such a design is best develloped by a bunch of amateurs and after the concept has been proven then Vanguard can be considered in producing it. It is left up to vanguard from the start then I'm sure that they will ruin it by trying to make it into something that it is really not, a more stable monohull with a dinghy rig.

Wouter