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Last time I heard, scientific thought was that the center of the Earth is a glob of molten iron a few thousand miles in diameter. Really? Then I guess we would have to go through that area really FAST!! | | | Re: The ancient art of landfinding in the Pacific
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Posts: 1,479 Thailand | To quote Martin Luther when referring to Copernicus “People give ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens and the firmament, the sun and the moon. This fool wishes to reverse the entire scheme of astrology. The sacred scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still not the earth”.
In fact several astronomers where burned at the stake as heretics for claiming the earth revolved around the sun. And there was a ban on the notion until the early 1800’s. I'd venture to guess people were not nearly so open minded back then as they are today... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Posts: 5,582 “an island in the Pacifi... | If you think that “we” today are an “enlightened” people, talk to a few “Christian fundamentalists” about the origins of the world and you may think that you ARE back in the “dark ages”, For that matter try the practicing beliefs of fundamentalist Muslims and their interpretation of the Koran to see what “closed mindedness” also is. One group thinks their diety can walk on water. The other believes horses can fly. US Sail Level 2 Instructor US Sail Level 3 Coach | | | Re: The ancient art of landfinding in the Pacific
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#96525 07/17/07 04:37 AM 07/17/07 04:37 AM |
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | You are playing a little fast and loose with the facts here Warbird. Actually it was Wouters ancestors and the rest of Europe that thought the World was flat.
That would make them YOUR ancestors as well Warbird unless you are Maori. But lets not forget that the Greecks had already calculated the circumference of the earth quite accurately, subsequent European peoples developped a navigational system based on this knowlegde. The knowlegde that the earth was round was only suppressed in midevil times and the early renaissance. Suppressing is the right word here as the Church never succeeded at eradicating this knowlegde, although it did manage to have it made a closely guarded guild secret of maritime navigators. The Pollies had been sailing the far reaches of the Pacific for centuries when the Anglo-Saxons finally got brave enough to sail out of sight of land.
Anglo-Saxons have a big mouth and claim far more then they actually achieved. The first explorers were the Portugese followed closely by the Spanish. Then came the Dutch (who discovered large swaths of south east asia and Oceania. Hence the names like Tasmania (Van Diemens land), Arnhem land in Australia and even the name New Zealand itself (after first being called Staten Landt and then Nieuw Zeeland). For more read this short article : http://history-nz.org/discovery1.htmlThe Brits and French joined the party later often still using many Dutch maps. I can't name a single land that was discovered by the English. And if they did then it will be nothing more then an atol or small island (Cook, polynesia). The only exception here being the eastern seaboard of the United states, but its existance had already been established by Spanish navigators who largely ignored it from then onward because they didn't see any commericial benefits to do so. Even then large parts of North America were French and Dutch "discoveries". hence the names New Orleans, Louisiana, Illinois and Staten Island (remember Staten Landt), Brooklyn (Breukelen), Harlem (Haarlem) and a score of Dutch town names in North West America. Florida was Spanish as were large portions of Califorina, Texas and the states in between. What the Brits (Anglo-Saxons) were good at was to shoot their way into possesing new land (colonies), most of it discovered earlier by others. They were largely helped by local wars on the European mainland, especially the Napoleanic wars if I remember correctly. These weakened the other naval powers while leaving England largely unaffected. The eating each other comment is just amazing as Europe has a long history of Cannibalism including families who killed lone travellers and butchered them and sold the meat to other travellers.
This is new to me. This was very heavily disapproved off by the church, same as with selling your children. It may have happened but it was certainly no widespread culturally accepted phenomenon. It was actively punished. The Crusaders did their best to barbeque and eat a whole city. Christians that they were.
The crusaders did massacre whole cities without a worry but I seriously doubt if they referred to cannibalism unless when faced with imminent starvation, which happened during the first crusade. It was never a BBQ kind of feasting of "doing their best" as you put it. This would have been surprising and most crusaders were extremely pious people, although they did reguard pagan peoples as sufficiently heretic to slaughter them by the thousants. Ignorance often opens peoples mouths wide and they need to to get their feet in.
So you tell me.
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