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Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: Mirjam] #97366
03/19/07 06:15 AM
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Come to Dynautic on tuesday 12:00 so you can meet me in person.


As if ... !


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Tell me how to become a chairman and take my worries away.


You could have been part of the selection proces itself if you had replied to the general call for volunteers and a new chairman in september, oktober and november 2005. Hans and the others did. Since Hans has been accepted as chairman he has a full right to finish his term and as such you can't become chairman right now. This proces will be repeated in the future and then you can take a shot at it.

Mind you, the highest entity in the class right now is the Governing Council consisting of 3 persons of which Hand is only one. These three all sail different types of F16's and don't share any loyalties. That should be more then enough to take your worries away.


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Mirjam, just as ananymous as the rest of the forum.


I have a feeling that I'm much less anonymous then you are, the same applies to the members of the Governing Council. It is not for us to show up at your doorstep (? Dynautic ?) but for you to identify yourself in public. Either that or not make any insinuations / accusations. Your choice.

Wouter


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Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: Catfan] #97367
03/19/07 06:24 AM
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My guess for the Vectorworks Blade is EUR 13.000 (VAT included).
With all that carbon and the very expensive Shake Design carbon foils my estimate for the Dynautic Blade is EUR 16.000.
Does anyone know the right figures?



Yes, and neither quote is correct. The VWM Blade is more expensive then that and the Dynautic Blade is cheaper.

Now I don't know who Mirjam is here, but I do think that this argument should not draw in both builders. Neither of these builder has contributed to this discussion and I don't think either of them support the positions taking in this thread. The argument seems to come down to somebody calling himself Mirjam and Hans/Governing Council. As such the builders are not involved.

Wouter

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Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: Wouter] #97368
03/19/07 06:38 AM
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Mirjam is a male name in the Netherlands?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #97369
03/19/07 06:53 AM
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Mirjam is a male name in the Netherlands?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Have you used Google before? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&amp...sa=N&tab=wi

Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: Tony_F18] #97370
03/19/07 07:06 AM
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Right, that was what I tought, but when Mirjam was referenced to as "himself" I wondered if I had the wrong idea. Totally wrong idea.. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: Catfan] #97371
03/19/07 03:07 PM
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I am the owner of the boat that lies most of the summertime on the beach at Katwijk (Skuytevaert sailing club). This Blade was I believe one of the first five boats build by Vectorworks. You could say that it was a prototype, just as the Dynautic boat of Mirjam is by the way. I am pleased that the boat has been developed further since. It has not changed much of course, I believe the last version has now more buldheads and stringers <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. Serious. Hans has made some improvements to my ancient Blade version to bring it up to standard. I seriously hope the Dynautic boat will be a succes because we all need more F16's on the water. More builders means better boats at a better price I was told at school long time ago. It is a pity that it took Dynautic so long to get the production started but I am indeed glad that he has survived so far and is now producing. I also hope that his learning curve is steep and that the boat of Mirjam is up to specification.

Jaap
who has seen already some UN-troops on the Dutch beaches to enforce peace on the North Sea

Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: sjon] #97372
03/19/07 03:30 PM
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Jaap,

You are coming to the Zandvoor event right ?

Will you crew-up with your son ?

Wouter


Wouter Hijink
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The Netherlands
Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: Tony_F18] #97373
03/19/07 04:15 PM
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Mirjam is a male name in the Netherlands?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Have you used Google before? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&amp...sa=N&tab=wi

While I find this thread mildy entertaining, I followed the link Tony gave above, and found this image which best describes most of the content of the thread so far.

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Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: Wouter] #97374
03/20/07 02:48 AM
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I have indeed the intention to come to Zandvoort this year (with my son).

Re: Commercial Blades (Vectorworks & Dynautic) [Re: Holger] #97375
03/20/07 08:55 AM
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<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> hate to say.. cosmetic differences..

Glad you like your toy.. Im sure others will like theirs.
Which is better? The one who has the better baboon hold the stick!

<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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