I heard Matt was 1st on the Blade, Jennifer second. Could either of you two please fill in the details for us? Thanks.
Tim

1st Race - Jennifer, Chuck, Matt
2nd Race - Matt, Jennifer, Chuck
3rd Race - Matt, Jennifer, Chuck
4th Race - Chuck, Matt, Jennifer

The only time we single trapped was on a reach between b and c in race 4. The rest of the racing was in about 6 knots or less. The boats look real close in speed to me (in those conditions). Matt at times could sail higher, most noticeably in race 2 when the wind was Mug race conditions ~ 1-2 knots. Jennifer and I decided it was the battened jib that let him blow right through us like we were standing still (wait - we were). Jennifer is able to sail deeper and faster downwind, but I suspect it is technique versus boat differences.

Sunday there was a short period chop with a underlying swell coming in with very little wind to drive you through the chop. Another hard regatta to judge comparable speeds, but in less than single trap weather I would say the boats are all very close with tactics/errors being the difference.

In near no wind the Blade/Matt was unbeatable.

Chuck

Thanks Chuck. You mentioned jibs so I assume you all had crew on board? Were your 3 total crew weights comparable? How would it have been solo?

This summer time, light air stuff sucks big time, my lake looks like glass right now but you know as soon as I leave for a few days it will blow 15-20!

If you guys are sailing this weekend, it should be good, because I'll be out of town visiting Wooter, I had to drink 3 Hieneken's last night to get in shape for that.

Is Lucy crewing for you yet? Sara wants to crew for me so she will need some company out there if/when we get a Blade. Any idea where I can get a size XS butt buckett for her?

Is there a link to the JPOR results. If not (yet) then does anybody know where they will be published ?

Also rumour has it that all spi boats started together. So F18's, I-20's and F16's mixed it up with eachother. I'm really interested to hear how that panned out.

Wouter

They supposedly kept times on all the boats.

Starting together worked out well. As Chuck pointed out the conditions were not good to judge the relative merrits of anyone. The A cat w/ spin was miles ahead on Saturday. A very small amount more wind on Sunday and that difference was not quite as high. The F16's were right int he mix with 18s. The 18s seemed to be a little faster (depending on who was driving of course) I think mainly because 2 extra feet of water line in the very big chop. The conditions really pounded the boats and with the light air it was almost imposible to keep them moving all the time.

After 2 floaters, we are due.

Matt

Yes, the times were kept for all boats in each start. They should be posted tonight or tomorrow.

And yes I believe we have paid our light air dues.

I'm guessing Jennifer may run 20 lbs lighter. Matt and I are probably comparable. The weight didn't seem to play to big a part this weekend. And yes, everyone sailed 2-up.

Magic marine makes a XS harness. Pretty pricey for a munchkin, but it works great on Lucy. She wasn't out this weekend, but all three of us tried to race the 2nd day of the Brevard Challenge. Lucy had been to a sleepover and wasn't too much in the mood. On the Taipan with the chute set up she can effectively laydown on every sheet in one try. After about half the race I decided to leave her on the trap and keep reaching back to the beach instead of finishing. But a couple more years and I am hoping she will be ready to go.

What exactly do you mean by :



Wouter

He's talking about his young daughter laying down on every sheet on the tramp because she was tired from the sleep over...

Hey, Tom does the same thing so I don't think it gets much better for a while!

Sara loves being on the wire so I'll keep and eye out for a cheap trap harnes for her.

Together we almost sink the Hobie 14 though...got to get something bigger.

One very small girl, with no effort involved at all can lay down on the tramp and cover every single control line and sheet. My daughter does the same thing. They get very extremly testy when asked to move as well. (Not to be sexist, but this must be a female skill they are born with, at least in my family. )

M

Damn, looks like I`m in for a lifetime of that, then, my daughter is starting early. Bad enough her mother has a skill for getting spinnaker sheets wrapped round her ankles just before a critical gybe.

That's right, Matt's got munchkin crew in training too...OK, now we will have to have a F16 Junior race, where the kids drive and we get to lay on the sheets and complain about the sun in our eyes...

Steve, yours is just about the right size, don't let her grow up and get all mouthy on you! And keep her away from Mom, just keep telling her: Shopping BAD, Sailing GOOD...

Actually we had such a thing overhere (open class) for several years; called "daddy's race" and all crews had to be made up of a adult and a kid (juvinile) perferable your own kid but as long as it was family (nice, nethew) you would qualify.

I've never been there but story tell of a great event with lots of fun.

Could be an idea we could imitate later on.

Wouter

This has to be the most negative thread I have ever read.

You're kidding, right Mary...

If you're not, then I read it completely different. I read it as a bunch of dads laughing about the funny things their kids do on the boat. I know all these guys... they love having their kids on the boat, at least that's the way I've always seen it.

Dave

No, I'm not kidding.

Source : http://www.1design.net/scoring/JPOR05.htm

However this page is pretty unreadable as the listing are NOT sorted to final placings. Meaning the winner is often not at the top of the listings.

So I threw the bunch in my excel program and did some processing :

I will only show the spi fleet results as if it was a scoring class. Of course each class listing is the same as the total listing with the other boats deleted.

Mind you [color:"red"] JPOR REGATTA DOES NOT ENDORSE THIS COMBINED RESULT [/color]. The regatta was run along class lines and so winners and prizes were awarded to each class individually. So the combined results of the spinnaker fleet here are [color:"red"] JUST FOR REFERENCE [/color] and some personal enjoyment. Please do not present then as anything different, we don't want to frustrate any RC in giving out this time info in the future.





But lets see what we can learn from this combined listing (JUST FOR FUN). Note first how that A-cat+spi rating is very close to the F16 ratings. 64.8/65.3 = 99.2 % so A-cat with spi is regarded to be about 27 seconds per hour of bouy racing faster. Texel gives about 3 % difference = 100 second per hour bouy racing.

F18 to F16 ratings are 62.6/65.3 = 95.9 % or F18;s are regarded to be 144 seconds per hour of bouy racing faster (under US sailing handicap). Texel and ISAF assume equality or the F16 being 1 % slower = 36 seconds per hour.

The top 3 placers did so by sailing consistantly. A big thing in light weather racers as you can throw away lots of points by a single bad result. Anyway in this race the crews could use 1 strike-out. The strike-out placings are written in red and in italics.

Are there a few interesting funnies ?

Personally I think that Ingram should be placed second and Shafer 3rd but probably I'm used to a difference tie breaker rule. Shafer and Ingram tied for 2nd place.



Now just as an indication ; The finishing orders when racing F18's and F16's "first in wins" (=elapsed time; NO handicap corrections)





So in race 1 and race 4 the spread between F18 and F16's is rather even. In races 2 and 3 however the F16's seem to be in the bottom halve of this particular scoring fleet.

Personally I think this to be a rather good result. Why, because "no wind" + "considerable chop" is definately not the strong point of the F16's. The lightweightness of the boats are a drawback in chop when there is insufficient wind to keep the rig under power. As soon as you are stalled by a wave the flow over the rig collapses and you have to reattach it again. A heavy boat that uses its momentum to punch through a waves (instead of its sail drive) is less challenged to keep optimal flow. Second point; the shorter mast of the F16's is disadvantaged in the very light winds. In no wind everybody drifts with the same speed and at 5 knots of wind or more the turbulent nature of the wind gives enough power to F16 rigs to give them speed, BUT that (laminair wind) zone between 0 knots and 5 knots of wind is where tall masted boats are noticeably advantaged. There is just more wind higher up. This was the one thing we couldn't overcome when we established the F16 class.

But on handicap the results are mixed again so even in races 2 and 3 the differences in finishing times was not too big.

All the other points could be corrected by doing something smart with the F16 design, but this "tall mast-very light winds" syndrome is just uncorrectable. Only solution here is to have taller masts. I say the damage is kept small enough to not be of any serious concern. Most racers in such light winds are lotteries anyway because of the wind shifts and holes.



Wouter

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Mary, of course we are kidding! Great article in the latest mag. on Jack Sammons racing with his daughter Jodie. Where is she now, does she still race?

That's what I hope to do with my last daughter, the first two are a lost cause, addicted to horses.

I once saw a great picture of Paul Elvestrom racing a Tornado with his daughter, in the Olympics! How cool would that be?

Hmmm. Think Mary took that one the wrong way. Of course we`re kidding ! My daughter isn`t exactly old enough to know what a jib-sheet is, but she`s quite happy to pull on it anyway, must be instinct .
And as for her mom, who is also my crew, and also my future-ex-wife (One of my favourite jokes, Mary ), she`s gotta be the best crew I`ve sailed with, even if she does get sheets wrapped round her ankles often (actually she`s perfected it !) Male crew are just too damn clumsy on a boat as small as the Mozzie.
Lighten up, Mary, none of us are putting female crew down - we`re just glad many of them don`t become skippers, for fear of getting whipped by them - it happens a lot when you allow your crew to skipper, they generally tend to beat you .