The snow has fallen here in duluth mn, alas...the sailing season is done. So i've taken my boat apart and began upgrading some parts that are in bad condition. If anyone has any swivel cleats or the new style main traveler car, email me and let me know [email][email protected].[/email] I'd be glad to take those off your hands. Which leads me to my question....I'm looking to put on a jib traveler control system (as i hate crawling to up front to move it manualy) and i was wondering what car to use? It seems that the stock metal ones wouldn't slide as easily as the tren tec one or the "IT" as it's called in Murrays. I have the really old syle ones ('71 h16) where the cleat is right on the car, so i still have alot of options as far as placement of the 360 cleats in the crossbar. Any advice would be helpful!! Happy sailing!